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what's up everybody it is

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uh thursday today and we have a very

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special guest on

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um

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robert cofort he's been

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in the chat hanging out with us for

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quite a while um he's a great guy he

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always helps me get out of uh some

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ditches i dig

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on my own

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um so

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i'm just really happy to have him here

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what's up scott

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uh he's gonna take us through a couple

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of things we will talk about uh maybe

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aztec new mexico and

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the date of march

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25th

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1948.

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um so

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we'll be back in a flash with mr goford

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himself hang tight

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so

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so

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all right yeah so

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um we are going to

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get started here oh thanks scott i

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appreciate it ethereal aura thanks for

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hanging out

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that engaged good to see you um yes so i

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guess we don't have to waste any more

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time so we can all meet

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the man himself

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mr robert culford how are you hey hey

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everybody

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did you just give me the star trek thing

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my hand

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oh really

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see i can't close my finger

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well thanks for joining us i mean it's

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nice to actually

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um like i was saying before we started

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it's nice to put a face to the name uh

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because you're always so supportive in

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the chat

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and um

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you know

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honestly you do help me out sometimes

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when i screw up

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so i really appreciate that

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yeah so

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one more time you keep me in line too

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uh well you know uh dolan's bar hello

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megan hello jared hello um so

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march 25th 1948

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that's a date that you're looking really

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into that you investigate right yeah uh

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i don't remember the first time it

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started but it it was

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i had stuff on ask you know if you go

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through the blue files there's a bunch

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of stuff on aztec in there it's really

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weird

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you know interesting you go

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if this is such a stupid case how come

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osi and

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how come you keep running into it over

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the years you go through the files and

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then you'll run into another one you go

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what

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this again you know and i was like that

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i had those files on my computer and

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then i got to know scott and suzanne

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ramsey they're the premier and

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modern-day investigators with their team

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sure

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in aztec

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and i asked him about that date

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he can he conferred to me that he was

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sure

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uh of one thing at least two of his

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witnesses did not know each other at all

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never met each other didn't know and

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still they came up with that date

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so you'd have like four maybe four to

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seven people and they all said the same

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date

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so and that's something we don't have

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with roswell we don't know the exact

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date of what really happened right

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people say different things happen on

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the seventh heaven on the fourth

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happened on the weekend of the fourth of

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july you know we don't really

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have an exact

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date like

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this happened on this date in roswell

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it's kind of across the board depends on

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who you talk to so what started you down

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the train here of of this date

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that's what i'm saying i can't remember

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i think it was because when i was going

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through the blue book files there were a

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couple times i came across that date i

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kept mentioning it

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and i kept eventually i said what is

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with that date and that's when i talked

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to scott and i realized whoa

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could it be you know so then i went back

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how many is the only time pouring back

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through the blue book files

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with the idea of just looking for that

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date and that's it

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and i started

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bing after bing after bing you know over

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and over again and started piling up

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and i started seeing reference to this

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army letter uh army id letter over and

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over again i was like what's with this i

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gotta find this army directive you know

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so move to that i i spent all my time

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when any moment i had to go through the

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documents again

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trying to find that directive i finally

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found it that's that two-page

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army id directive i sent you uh from

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okay and i i think i should pause here

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we should do a little background yeah go

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so that we can understand and i think it

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explains a lot actually so let's go back

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world war ii world war ii is ending

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supposedly president truman but

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there was a general consensus that a

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needed to be created

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right that would just be an agency and

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they wouldn't be here and gone you know

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we could count it

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they knew a new air force was coming

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there was no air force it was only the

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army the army was the army ground forces

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they controlled everything and when

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46 at the end of the war they were tying

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all this stuff together

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the cig had been created the cig was

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created essentially by the army it's an

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army intelligence

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type of thing right

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but it's they know it's just in turn

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permanent civilian agency but in the

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meantime we've got the central

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in 47 when they finally signed the

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national security act and the air force

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a thing and now it's the department of

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the air force and the cia comes into

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it kinda in more than just kinda came

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coincidentally the chief intelligence

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group when you see that cig only there's

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a line so in a sense the cia becomes a

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ca but the cig remains an army thing and

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they remain something

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too you know they don't disappear right

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that's important to know because for

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in the march 25th case

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the reason i got to work of that

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directive is from riley colonel

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reillyannis chief of the intelligence

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group

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they're the ones that seem the most

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important most interested in whatever

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happened on that date

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do you want me to bring up anything in

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particular right now those two that's

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cig uh 40 452.1 those there's one and

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dated february 26 no well you can pull

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that one up you wrong because actually

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pull that one up you can see that's two

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what we'll be talking about

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and air force regulation 200-1 both of

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are pretty much the same thing as this

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directive they're all called reporting

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of information on flying discs

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general you notice something here look

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pacific air command remember what we

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were talking about yesterday those

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place yeah

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it gets a new date same directives and

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everything but then you get a new date

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it's the same director and it turns out

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every time they had a really good

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sighting that was qualified by the

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military as a as a we accept this

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sighting they would change the date

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to like a marker

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later the the last update for for

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instance the version of this was which

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11 1951.

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uh sure enough

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same thing

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incident happened at mccord air force

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base in washington on the 11th and the

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it matches up i have many more of those

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cases to check to absolutely but i've

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seen enough now for myself that i know

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that's they were updating it

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coincidentally with some important

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signing

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trying to find that cig one for you but

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um did you send it within the next the

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it should be it should be ba should be

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bbf bob k gscid 452 101 and there should

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let me just bring up what we got and you

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no that's uh cabot we'll talk about him

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in a little bit

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this is talking about the the nato at

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the beginning of nato so we'll talk

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that's uh maybe

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it would be silly it just seems like i

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should have sent that to you

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i can email it to you really quick if

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that yeah go in let me do that just so

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this is important

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yeah super quick um you do that yeah

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so yeah this is a very interesting case

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for sure i mean the the one thing i had

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noticed

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um in

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you know you don't have to pay attention

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i mean

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recently gone through and everything and

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have looked for

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i don't really i never find an aztec

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you know so it's really interesting to

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me

302
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because obviously so much happened

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on the 25th

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so everything i find is los alamos or

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um

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[Music]

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sandria bass is that how you pronounce

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it

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yeah or sandia or that's a lab right

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yeah so

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all right and they all had they're all

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little flaps

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i'm watching so whenever she comes

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through i get it

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well

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it's funny too and i'm trying to make

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the point that what i think there's

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especially it ties in with the uap thing

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too because

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in my opinion well what i felt like when

321
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they first did it

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one reason they would want to

323
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concentrate on changing the term to uap

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is the uap is you probably already seen

325
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this too through all the files you've

326
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gone through that's not a new term

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from the very beginning but mostly they

328
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used it for aerial phenomena like what

329
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you saw

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right wisp type stuff balls of light

331
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light phenomena they would call that you

332
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know uap

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but

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that was why they designated the terms

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flying disc and unconventional aircraft

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because they wanted to separate those

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two categories interesting the flying

338
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discs and as unconventional aircraft

339
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were solid objects and they wanted to

340
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make a point of that these weren't

341
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lights

342
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that you could see through these were

343
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solid crap in fact one of the documents

344
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that you have that i sent you that's the

345
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last thing on my

346
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chapter one of my you know book

347
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that very clearly that in

348
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when

349
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howard mccoy colonel howard mccoy

350
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there's page one of the document right

351
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there oh got it

352
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so you'll see it's in general form it's

353
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it's very similar to the 26 release of

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reporting information and flying disks

355
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yeah when's reporting information on

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unconventional aircraft so see they're

357
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changing the the armies using

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unconventional aircraft as their term

359
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because

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they want to make sure that the nuts and

361
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bolts physical things people are seeing

362
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are separated

363
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right the will of the wisp stuff why do

364
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you think they were trying to do that

365
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because this

366
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is the national security side of it

367
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the other stuff is more of the project

368
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blue book side of it because they know

369
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we're never going to be explaining that

370
00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:04,560
stuff so right it's okay to talk about

371
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all that stuff you know

372
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don't talk about a

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round airplane

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that you see you know

375
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well we'll kind of

376
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because that points to it's a physical

377
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something so again they go is it russian

378
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this is who are these

379
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and that's why the tic tac things

380
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so important because it's not a uap it's

381
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a physical

382
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yeah that's interesting

383
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and i wonder if they're related or not

384
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or if they're just really are completely

385
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different yeah no

386
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it's got to be related somehow but maybe

387
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different groups or something like that

388
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:42,959
yeah la paz was uh looking at the green

389
00:14:47,350 --> 00:14:45,199
fireballs while all this was happening

390
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and they labeled those green fireballs

391
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as a phenomenon as the phenomenon

392
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so they were treating these different

393
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you're right because this

394
00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:56,800
all this stuff doesn't show up for him

395
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you know a pause yeah so that's

396
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,639
interesting

397
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yeah i switched the document hopefully

398
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:03,440
not too soon

399
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no nc rf ennis colonel gsc

400
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that's ground uh that's general uh

401
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general staff corps

402
00:15:18,310 --> 00:15:15,440
see so what during see chief

403
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intelligence group cig that's riley

404
00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:19,360
evans

405
00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:22,320
interesting the colonel ennis was very

406
00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:24,800
opposed to our dropping the bombs on

407
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japan

408
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he was like one of the only ones and he

409
00:15:32,389 --> 00:15:29,839
was adamantly opposed to it for his

410
00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:32,399
whole life apparently he never thought

411
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:34,079
we should have done that which i found

412
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,639
fascinating just an odd side note but

413
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:38,079
sure

414
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as a person

415
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makes him a very enthusiastic he's the

416
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:44,160
guy that publishes this on the day that

417
00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:47,120
disc lands on the on the mesa for the

418
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army

419
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so that's an interesting coincidence

420
00:15:54,230 --> 00:15:51,920
right there

421
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:54,240
but it's not the biggest

422
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:56,639
uh that morning which is a thursday

423
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morning

424
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,399
20 was the thursday before good friday

425
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:02,160
interestingly for people who are

426
00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,440
catholic

427
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:05,199
thursday morning

428
00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:08,320
the chief of the air staff at that point

429
00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:10,240
he was former head of the army at the

430
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:11,920
end of the war that's general

431
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:12,800
uh

432
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:13,759
carl

433
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:14,880
spots

434
00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:17,440
s-p-a-a-t-z

435
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:18,880
he was

436
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,279
chief of the air staff when the incident

437
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:25,360
happened on march 25th

438
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,720
that morning he declared an emergency

439
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,440
an air defense emergency 24-hour day air

440
00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:33,440
emergency starting right now that early

441
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:35,040
thursday morning

442
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,519
and there's a lot of interesting things

443
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,839
surrounding that first of all

444
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:41,600
air defense command itself in air

445
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,800
defense was a fledgling type of

446
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:47,680
concept it existed so you know they had

447
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:51,199
an adc since the early 40s but all the

448
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,720
way up until probably october 1947

449
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:57,040
adc was really nothing it was like a

450
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,399
planning group

451
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,079
they used it but it was like planning

452
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,240
air events and making you know

453
00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:04,559
directives and what should we do it was

454
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:06,400
like that kind of office

455
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,679
until october 47 they had a a meeting a

456
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,439
quickie meeting for some reason so

457
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:13,360
something happened there too it's like

458
00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:15,120
something happened sparked their

459
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:16,000
interest

460
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:17,439
they started getting more serious about

461
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,000
having a continental air defense system

462
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,480
for our country and then it kind of died

463
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,079
down a little bit and then on the

464
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,360
morning of march 25th 1948 poof

465
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:29,039
everybody's saying no we got to get an

466
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,120
air defense system in this country all

467
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,200
the people including spots who are going

468
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,360
no no we don't want to waste money on an

469
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,000
imaginary line concept you know people

470
00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:40,000
will start thinking if we have an air

471
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:42,400
defense we won't they they were afraid

472
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:44,559
that money for strategic air command was

473
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,559
going to get pulled because that was our

474
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:49,039
plan right forward air bases

475
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,480
if the if the russians tried to do

476
00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:52,000
something our best bet is to just be

477
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,440
close by and

478
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,360
make them scared that we could get them

479
00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:57,120
as opposed to having an air defense

480
00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:58,240
system

481
00:18:03,190 --> 00:17:59,919
no it i saw

482
00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:03,200
cabal in here it was that the same watch

483
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:04,720
committee cabal

484
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:07,760
or is that right general cabello

485
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,799
yeah

486
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,960
he he served different places no the

487
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,720
watch committee was created by general

488
00:18:18,150 --> 00:18:16,789
see that see that's what's so

489
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,160
interesting about one of the other

490
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:19,840
reasons i keyed in on you because you

491
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,679
are one of the only people

492
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:23,600
out of tons of people i've talked to

493
00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:24,559
over the years

494
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,200
big time ufo people small time ufo

495
00:18:31,830 --> 00:18:29,600
people nobody really cared about the

496
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:31,840
watch committee i'd break it up

497
00:18:35,350 --> 00:18:33,039
go for

498
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:35,360
the watch committee

499
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,150
but i looked into it because of the the

500
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:44,160
wilson davis documents

501
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,679
seen i didn't know anything about that i

502
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:47,280
was already i had a bunch of files on

503
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,640
the watch committee i was already

504
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:50,240
tracking them because i think there's a

505
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:51,200
connection

506
00:18:58,070 --> 00:18:54,960
aztec now that that i never dreamed i'd

507
00:19:00,470 --> 00:18:58,080
see and it really comes in part because

508
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:00,480
now i'm so convinced something happened

509
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:02,960
that morning yeah but i'm going back and

510
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:04,960
looking at other things that didn't

511
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,720
cue in on me before and now i'm going

512
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,600
what

513
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,600
now that is interesting like i sent you

514
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:11,600
that article on when they were working

515
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,799
on nato they were having their meetings

516
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,120
during the time period where

517
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,520
march 25th happened uh

518
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,440
there's uh

519
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,600
they were in these secret meetings to

520
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:25,919
get to put together and notice it's late

521
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,160
march 1948

522
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,720
yeah it shows up there

523
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,559
and lord glad went down here i haven't

524
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,320
had like because i'm pretty sure at this

525
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:35,919
point he was the one that was connected

526
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,000
to dorothy kilgalen i don't know if you

527
00:19:40,870 --> 00:19:40,080
know who dorothy kilgallon is i don't

528
00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,880
know

529
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,840
she was uh an important journalist

530
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:45,200
back in the day

531
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,160
way

532
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:48,559
ahead of her time

533
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,200
tough really pretty tough lady

534
00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:53,520
she was a regular on the show what's my

535
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,559
line

536
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,559
um

537
00:20:00,870 --> 00:19:58,640
back in the day okay

538
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,880
anyway she was investigating the kennedy

539
00:20:04,710 --> 00:20:02,960
assassination when she died

540
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:04,720
but she also

541
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,840
in her day in her articles she would she

542
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:10,000
would mostly write about hollywood but

543
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:11,600
every once in a while she would stick in

544
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,039
something

545
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,640
because making it obvious she had

546
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:16,080
connections in the military she would

547
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,520
say things about the flying disc or

548
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:19,679
flying saucer phenomena

549
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:22,320
and she made several

550
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,720
hints that she had connections

551
00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:25,840
in

552
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,600
uh royalty type connections that were

553
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:31,360
giving her information about a crashed

554
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,760
disk and little people

555
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,280
so she published that in one of her

556
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,000
major articles and something

557
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:39,600
people have been speculating for a long

558
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,919
time who that was but i'm

559
00:20:44,950 --> 00:20:43,679
convinced at this point that it's lord

560
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:44,960
gladwell

561
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,760
and he was one of the main guys involved

562
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,200
in putting the

563
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,520
nato together with these people and they

564
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,360
were doing it when the crash happened in

565
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,120
march 25th 94 they were right in the

566
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,200
middle of they had this

567
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,520
in fact they called a specific top

568
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,600
secret meeting that was separate from

569
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:03,200
their other meetings and it mentions

570
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,559
that here

571
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,840
uh

572
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:08,000
yeah one of the particular

573
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:10,480
crucial they had crucial and secret

574
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:14,080
pentagon talks in march 1948.

575
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,600
it was different than their other type

576
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:17,760
they were having a string of times

577
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,320
but then something in march 1948 they

578
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,280
had these

579
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,960
ruffled feathers i'm seeing it all over

580
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:24,880
the place now

581
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,720
you know was it just those three

582
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,400
countries in nato at the start right

583
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,159
because it just mentions those three

584
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,600
double other i mean that's a whole

585
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,679
another story to get into so they're

586
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,760
having little secret backroom talks by

587
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,559
themselves huh and what's interesting is

588
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:40,720
the connections go on i found a

589
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,679
connection with the code word cosmic you

590
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,159
know if you look up cosmic interesting

591
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,080
aside from the thing because cosmic

592
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,720
comes up in some wacky ufo stories from

593
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,919
i don't know if you've run across that

594
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,840
yet somebody just told me to read a book

595
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,720
called american cosmic yeah that's why

596
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,240
that guy when he brought up i asked him

597
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,159
if in the book they talked about

598
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:02,640
we had a top secret code word of this

599
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:06,159
country cosmic and it started in 1949.

600
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,679
that's real huh

601
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,240
yeah around the same time nato see

602
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,320
that's nato's highest classification

603
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:14,720
cosmic but but if you look into it it's

604
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,960
like oh no that doesn't mean anything it

605
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,200
simply means it's the top level you know

606
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:21,520
there's top secret there's secret and

607
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:23,440
there's cosmic secret that's just our

608
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:27,760
three levels but what i found was in 48

609
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:31,039
49ish general bowling of all people

610
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,000
came

611
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,880
was discussing with roscoe hillen cutter

612
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,400
it's in his diary

613
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,679
they're changing the code word metric

614
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,679
to cosmic

615
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,640
interesting in this country yeah

616
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,880
frank warren told me that he found out

617
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:48,799
that you can't have to

618
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,760
it's not normal to have two different

619
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:53,039
same

620
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,120
secret code words right

621
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:57,280
and it's registered that stays that you

622
00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:58,080
can't

623
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,320
have a top secret cosmic for this

624
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:04,320
and then oh we want top secret cosmic

625
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,400
too

626
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:08,799
is that how they said it we have the

627
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,520
nato cosmic secret and then we have this

628
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,760
cosmetic that's in this country that

629
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,440
was metric

630
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,919
and magic that's the only reason

631
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,240
because whoever was redacting helen

632
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,039
carter's diet forgot to cross out one

633
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,880
time and you've probably seen this too

634
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,720
like the you can see like they'll go in

635
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,559
there's obviously the names and then the

636
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,919
guy's name will show up down here on the

637
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,799
right-hand corner oh my god

638
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:34,320
that was like totally

639
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,080
they were crossing battle replacing for

640
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,720
some reason they left this one paragraph

641
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,760
where it discussed how they were

642
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,000
changing metric to cosmic

643
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,400
and this the control officer in charge

644
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,679
was named

645
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:48,400
uh major john whalen

646
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,279
okay

647
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,679
so i tracked him too and waylon shows up

648
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,760
all over the place in the blue book

649
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:55,440
files and then later

650
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,520
in sr-71 flights over in korea

651
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,919
john whalen's name shows up in those so

652
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,039
i mean he and he's still a major right

653
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:07,520
so i don't know i'm rambling but yeah

654
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,159
yeah they didn't get a promotion so

655
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,320
you know but i've seen that in certain

656
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:14,240
people that do really

657
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,200
uh sensitive intelligence that they will

658
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,480
stay a mid-level officer they don't get

659
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,720
promoted

660
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,240
they just stayed that way my dad was

661
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,799
that way i know he did work he never

662
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,120
made it above major it wasn't being

663
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,960
punished it was because i guess it's

664
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,600
because if you do sensitive enough work

665
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,960
you just accept your rank and do your

666
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,440
job you know you know where was your

667
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,799
where was your dad

668
00:24:45,269 --> 00:24:42,240
stationed was he

669
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,279
i i had two dads you know step dad my my

670
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,080
my blood father was uh north bragg for

671
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,279
fort bragg

672
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:51,279
uh special forces one of the first

673
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,720
special forces

674
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:54,400
that went over to vietnam

675
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:55,279
wow

676
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,159
he uh see he was interesting he kind of

677
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,000
left my kind of a i don't know if you

678
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,880
could turn abandon there's a lot of

679
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:04,159
water that went under the bridge and

680
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,279
stuff

681
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:08,080
we don't have to get into this

682
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,679
army you know the army didn't tell my

683
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,360
family what he was doing and i think it

684
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,480
helped break up our family

685
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:16,320
my brother has a different opinion

686
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:17,600
yeah

687
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,159
but they're they're like uh opinions are

688
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:22,000
like water right

689
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,950
all right so let's get back on track

690
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:29,600
here we were talking about uh lord uh

691
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,360
glad windrun

692
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,480
well i wanted to mention because uh

693
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,799
it's it seems like she definitely had a

694
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,159
connection

695
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,240
and i s when i saw that he was so

696
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,440
involved in that time period with nato

697
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,440
made me wonder because she got that

698
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,600
information from somebody and different

699
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,520
people were in

700
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:52,240
roughly the time period 49

701
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,919
between 49 and 50 for some reason talk

702
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:58,080
of a crashed saucer and

703
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,549
weird you know on the same day roswell

704
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:07,039
there was a flank saucer in my hometown

705
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,640
milwaukee wisconsin oh really

706
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,720
yeah i think it was actually a hoax

707
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:13,840
because they got the guys in the

708
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:16,720
newspaper holding a big saw blade

709
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,200
all right yeah that happened quite a bit

710
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,760
in fact people like david rudiak who

711
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:23,440
studied roswell i would tell you that

712
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,279
that that was all part of a campaign

713
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:26,320
probably

714
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:29,679
finishing up of the debunking of oh no

715
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:31,039
it wasn't a crash sauce there was a

716
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,480
weather balloon

717
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,559
and all these things oh yeah i found one

718
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,240
too

719
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,880
yeah

720
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,880
why all these other cases were so easy

721
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:42,480
to say they were balloons and then we

722
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,400
get roswell and still with us to this

723
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,559
day right

724
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,480
very interesting sometimes i think

725
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,480
roswell was a distraction though just

726
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,640
because there's so many

727
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,200
uh cases that were ongoing at places

728
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:57,679
like los alamos and all that

729
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,760
and you know when you look what the one

730
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,760
thing i noticed when i looked up uh

731
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:04,720
aztec or new mexico ufo right just real

732
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,080
general all you get is roswell and you

733
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,400
have to search and go through all the

734
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,799
search things and it's all roswell and

735
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:15,360
sometimes i'm like is that on purpose

736
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,240
you know

737
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,840
that might be i think yeah i thought

738
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,880
that as well

739
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,480
i mean i think something definitely did

740
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,279
happen at roswell but

741
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,960
there wasn't enough left for them to

742
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,600
make much out of it it was all debris

743
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,000
maybe that's the one case they know that

744
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,399
they could completely cover up so if

745
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:34,720
they put everyone's attention on it

746
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,760
yeah right they got it yeah

747
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:39,120
i think they're perfectly right on the

748
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,080
money

749
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,919
but you know with the well we'll leave

750
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,039
roswell but

751
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,640
before you touch on it

752
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,039
and i'm not a roswell investigator me

753
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,590
it is interesting i should have sent you

754
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,360
that news article you probably have some

755
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,520
of yourself but if you look

756
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,039
then the first articles that were

757
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,679
published when the foreman of the ranch

758
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,200
mac brazil

759
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,200
when he was first interviewed

760
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,520
about the debris field

761
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:08,399
he even though he did say i pushed i put

762
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:11,039
a small bit of it under a bushel

763
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,000
to get

764
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,240
his other description was the rest of

765
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,799
the debris whatever it was covered a a

766
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,480
square mile

767
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:19,600
wow

768
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,679
and jesse marcel senior when he was

769
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:23,760
found later in stanton freedom interview

770
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,000
he said it was at least a quarter mile

771
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,320
maybe a little more but brazil said a

772
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,120
square mile so you think about that even

773
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,880
if you were one to think it was a moga

774
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,640
balloon right

775
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,520
shredding up a balloon out in some kind

776
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,200
of natural way even if it got struck by

777
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,960
lightning and ex

778
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,240
do you think it's going to cover a

779
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:44,880
square mile

780
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:47,760
i don't probably not even close no it's

781
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,840
going to be bits here and a chunk over

782
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,399
there and some shredded stuff over there

783
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,240
that's going to be it

784
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:56,799
no shredded material over a square mile

785
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,760
in a fan shaped pattern right

786
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,840
so even without all the witnesses just

787
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,520
basing it on that you know you know

788
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,679
something happens

789
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,159
referenced um

790
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,559
roswell in some of these documents he

791
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:13,440
mentions roswell in a green fireball

792
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,320
there

793
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,600
so

794
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,200
you know you think you know it was a

795
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,760
balloon at that point

796
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,919
they said we want you to find a meteor

797
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,320
yes

798
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,200
what do you mean why all right so is uh

799
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,760
this jet plane explo or which

800
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,159
okay so here's the move on two

801
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:36,000
in the i sent you this you could so we

802
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,760
could verify that beginning in 1947

803
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:40,399
uh

804
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,440
they had planes mostly p 80s this new

805
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,799
jet they had which later became a t-33

806
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,919
trainer

807
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:49,840
but it's the one with the

808
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:52,960
bubble canopy and i think the p80 had

809
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,000
straight wings p86 had swept wings

810
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,679
but this was new to them they had

811
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,120
finally had jets

812
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,440
they had them they admit loaded with

813
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,799
cameras loaded with surveillance

814
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,640
equipment they were specifically flying

815
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,240
around in the west

816
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:08,320
up by hanford nuclear plant all the way

817
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
up in oregon everything because they

818
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,919
were seeing so many disks up there

819
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,039
and

820
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:15,279
each time here again i was able to

821
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,600
confirm this jet here was also one of

822
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,200
those surveillance planes

823
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,679
it was loaded and it just happened to

824
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,880
crash

825
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:25,360
uh on the coincidentally this is

826
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:26,080
the

827
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,679
national security act into

828
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:31,679
uh saying yes we're gonna do this it

829
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,919
wasn't made official until september

830
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,919
but the july 16th was when they

831
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,480
authorized the national security act

832
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,760
where is carrizo new mexico that's in

833
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,640
that's not uh too far from albuquerque

834
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,320
and

835
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,279
triangle area

836
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:51,440
but then if you now switch to uh the

837
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,760
other article about the crash in

838
00:30:59,269 --> 00:30:56,159
on march 25th this one that's the first

839
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:59,279
one that's so before starting 1947 you

840
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:02,720
can see they've started doing that

841
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,640
i'm going through them

842
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:05,919
dang

843
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:12,230
this morning remember i told him march

844
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,200
25th

845
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,519
general spots declared an emergency that

846
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:18,240
morning an air defense emergency

847
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,120
so everybody's on high alert

848
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,960
and nobody knows why and this just

849
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,640
happens to happen that same day another

850
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,480
one of these planes loaded with

851
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,840
surveillance equipment to find the

852
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,880
saucers

853
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,120
crashes on that morning

854
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,360
the guy barely gets back and somehow

855
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,720
makes it alive

856
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,840
well

857
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,000
so what's interesting about this case me

858
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,480
is the aztec story now getting back to

859
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,240
the other people who researched azim all

860
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,320
these years like scott ramsey and his

861
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,360
team

862
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,519
they found through the witnesses

863
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,760
that uh and it was corroborated from

864
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,279
some other researchers i have their

865
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,600
files too scott sent them to me uh

866
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,960
people we've never heard of before i

867
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,480
didn't but they did some good work as

868
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,640
well in the background

869
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,640
invisible people you and i vote there's

870
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,240
people we'll never hear of they did some

871
00:32:05,190 --> 00:32:03,360
good work

872
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:05,200
yeah find out who there and give them

873
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,159
credit

874
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,640
but uh they also found well these

875
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,480
everybody had one thing in common that's

876
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,799
what's weird every one of these stories

877
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,480
had something in common one of the

878
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,120
portholes had a hole in it

879
00:32:20,230 --> 00:32:18,720
three of the stories was it was the size

880
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,240
of a pencil

881
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,840
the other one was it was closer to the

882
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,679
size of a quarter

883
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,399
and that was reiterated by several

884
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,480
witnesses they all said that

885
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,799
yeah and one thing we noticed there was

886
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,120
no damage to the craft but one of the

887
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,600
portholes on the coppola at the top it

888
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,039
had what they described was what looked

889
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,679
like portholes with glass it wasn't

890
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:42,000
probably not you know to us some kind of

891
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,519
opaque glass

892
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,840
and it had a perfect little hole in one

893
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:47,039
of them

894
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:48,000
and the

895
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:49,519
the beings inside were apparently

896
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:52,399
blackened by some kind of apparent fire

897
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:54,240
or something wow

898
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,360
so um

899
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:57,679
yeah how many witnesses were there

900
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,880
well now here again you'd have to

901
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,760
right

902
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,880
if this book and bills diamonds you kind

903
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,200
of present but bill simon's book has a

904
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,039
lot of errors in it

905
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,360
but uh this is a better book it's still

906
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,279
not completely complete that's why

907
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,640
they're trying to get another book

908
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,240
together

909
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,840
they're so busy the ramsays are the

910
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,000
busiest people i ever met in my life you

911
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,519
know i wish i could help they have a

912
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,360
farm they have businesses

913
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:25,039
right well that's probably why people

914
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,640
never really hear much about their get

915
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,080
they don't get interviewed very often

916
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,960
because they're just too busy yeah

917
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:32,720
but but if you can get a hold of this

918
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,320
book i should want to say too they're

919
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,360
getting ripped off i know it's bad

920
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,799
you should still read it but

921
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,159
unfortunately they don't get any money

922
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,120
when you get this book oh really they're

923
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,120
they're still in oh hang on scott's

924
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,399
calling me right now

925
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,760
oh all right hello

926
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,559
hey hey scott he probably doesn't

927
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,480
realize i'm on

928
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,799
here i'll join you yeah

929
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,720
okay all right he's on the phone with

930
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:01,760
scott how are you guys doing okay

931
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,470
what um yeah let's ask him about that ah

932
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,720
spaghetti all right he trusts me i can

933
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,679
say whatever i want okay

934
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:15,280
i just didn't i don't like saying

935
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,560
personal things about people if they

936
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,639
don't like oh no please don't say that

937
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,320
a spaghetti mentioned this gerald

938
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,679
anderson guy

939
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,280
he was a a third member of the people

940
00:34:28,389 --> 00:34:26,960
that were included as witnesses in

941
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,399
roswell

942
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,639
uh later discarded by

943
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:32,879
not everybody obviously maybe not by

944
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,760
spaghetti but other people because they

945
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,399
uh they didn't find his story credible

946
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:39,599
anymore

947
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,720
oh okay well i stick to that what i

948
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,399
mentioned about the news article about

949
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,960
the the ranch uh the ranch forum and mac

950
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,760
brazil saying it was a square mile

951
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,359
without getting into any of the other

952
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,200
minutiae of the witnesses and the

953
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,720
different people that have investigated

954
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,119
roswell right just

955
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,880
keep to that for my own work because

956
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,599
there's just too much distraction right

957
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,680
that's true that person it's kind of

958
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,200
like the bob lazar thing i just don't

959
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,480
have time

960
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,640
that's such a distraction you know it's

961
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:11,200
a research project

962
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,720
to figure out if you want to believe it

963
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,960
i don't know i like it one of the things

964
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:19,040
we're going all over the place sorry no

965
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,000
that's fine

966
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:22,079
but lazar is another thing you know i

967
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,680
god bless the guy you know he's another

968
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,640
person

969
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,040
bless all people but

970
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,359
i had real problems when i first heard

971
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,000
about in like 89 90

972
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,640
because that george knapp guy said that

973
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:38,160
they all met at los alamos

974
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,040
and

975
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,280
bob lazar drove them around

976
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,599
and he was amazed like how could he know

977
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,880
all these plus

978
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,880
making it sound like

979
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,320
because i didn't know the time either so

980
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,920
i most of people listening to it they're

981
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
thinking oh they met at the front gate

982
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,079
bob lazar drove him around the campus

983
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,240
you know of course that'd be important

984
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,240
but that's impossible you don't drive

985
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,880
around the campus on los angeles

986
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:02,320
if you're lucky to get through the front

987
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:03,280
gate

988
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,880
you walk through

989
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,640
an outside corner to another building

990
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,640
where you got to get another clearance

991
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,400
you know i mean it goes deep and deep

992
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,560
and then you wait for a while while they

993
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,000
check whether you really do have an

994
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,920
appointment with such and such and they

995
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,760
don't let people just go on maybe

996
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,079
there's some common area or something

997
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,760
that they draw

998
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,440
why did they try to make themselves

999
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,119
sound so much more important why do they

1000
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,359
try to make bob lazar sound so much but

1001
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,040
more important they wouldn't need to do

1002
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:30,800
that

1003
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:34,240
here

1004
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,109
and if he just comes back and says no no

1005
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,040
no we just met the town

1006
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,880
well then you should have said that

1007
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,400
yeah

1008
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:48,000
just because he could join that's not a

1009
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,440
big deal

1010
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:51,680
we drove all around this

1011
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,800
tiny town called this

1012
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,480
yeah it's the secret of tight town but

1013
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,359
it's also just a town two starts right

1014
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,200
you can just easily show up two days

1015
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,520
early get used to the town and then you

1016
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,240
know that's not a big deal

1017
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:08,240
all right so you don't

1018
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:16,150
a different version of spaghetti i'm

1019
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,440
just going to start going off and okay

1020
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,359
put the brakes on me anytime

1021
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,200
but this is also important this is your

1022
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:25,920
hour my friend it ties back into azik

1023
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:27,200
again

1024
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,040
not too long ago another set of those

1025
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,880
majestic documents were released through

1026
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,640
some podcast person or something like

1027
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,480
that i don't remember what the details a

1028
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,320
bunch of people got all excited because

1029
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,680
it seemed to verify roswell and aztec

1030
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,800
you know

1031
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,640
what's important though is

1032
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:45,119
that document is definitely provably

1033
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,720
false

1034
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,040
and one of the ways i was able to just

1035
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:51,200
even though i'm not a document expert i

1036
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,000
can

1037
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,720
tell you for sure it's a hoax because

1038
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,200
the stuff about aztec in that was pulled

1039
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,760
word for world word out of bill

1040
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,839
steinman's book on aztec

1041
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:05,040
interesting word for word cut and paste

1042
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,079
and

1043
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,599
like i told you bill steinman had a

1044
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:09,119
bunch of stuff wrong

1045
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,480
he said

1046
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,040
for instance he did say an air defense

1047
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,640
emergency was declared that morning and

1048
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,160
that's true

1049
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:18,240
but his information was it was connected

1050
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,000
with mj 12

1051
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,079
and it was general marshall who declared

1052
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,000
the emergency and then rescinded the

1053
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,240
order 24 hours later none of that

1054
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,160
happened general marshall had nothing to

1055
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,880
do with this he was secretary of state

1056
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,400
at the time

1057
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,160
so he would have known about obviously

1058
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,480
but it was general spots that declared

1059
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,640
the emergency he was chief air staff

1060
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:40,720
that would make more sense right

1061
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,680
and the and this emergency lasted until

1062
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,400
vandenberg took over and he rescinded it

1063
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,280
on about april 4th so almost a month

1064
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:51,760
this order was in place this emergency

1065
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,079
share defense order were there

1066
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:56,079
did those type of orders usually just

1067
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,839
last a short amount of time like that

1068
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,640
like a month this was different you know

1069
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,280
it was a whatever it was they blamed it

1070
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,720
on the soviets

1071
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,520
at the time spots said the soviets are

1072
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,680
about to invade us

1073
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,480
but

1074
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:12,400
i i don't know if you were able to read

1075
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:15,760
it but uh my first report

1076
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,400
part one i tried my hardest to get into

1077
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,160
that i looked as many files i could i

1078
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,880
got i finally got uh cia report the

1079
00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:24,960
office of reported estimates i think

1080
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:25,720
it's

1081
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,230
they initiated that report in the office

1082
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,240
of reports and estimate because

1083
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,720
specifically because of that

1084
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,720
them being the air force for some reason

1085
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,720
and general chamberlain

1086
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,720
head of the army id coincidentally the

1087
00:39:48,230 --> 00:39:46,960
same people who put it put out that

1088
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,240
two-page

1089
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:50,800
uh directive on flying discs

1090
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:52,720
these are the only people that are

1091
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,079
concerned enough that we need to have an

1092
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:55,520
air defense emergency everybody else is

1093
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:56,640
going

1094
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,320
what are they talking about the soviets

1095
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,800
aren't going to invade they can't even

1096
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,320
though we knew they were doing stuff in

1097
00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:04,000
berlin then they were there was the coup

1098
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,800
in yugoslavia right he knew there was

1099
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:08,800
absolutely zero chance they were going

1100
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,680
to try to invade america there was

1101
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,839
zero chances of that they didn't even

1102
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,400
have a bomber yet that could do it it

1103
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,680
just

1104
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,359
shows that there were things flying

1105
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,800
around that they didn't know what they

1106
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,440
were and were probably guessing whatever

1107
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,920
is most practical to guess to them which

1108
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,079
was

1109
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,240
so we you needed russia yeah everything

1110
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:32,720
was russia because what else could it be

1111
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:36,390
still

1112
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,960
isn't it exactly it's bizarre

1113
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,599
there's so many times you get like just

1114
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:46,640
the time zone time period involved and

1115
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,160
the abilities displayed from the 40s

1116
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,480
come on nobody had planes that could

1117
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,680
outrun

1118
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,240
everything we had in the late 40s like

1119
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
they were doing and and yet still so it

1120
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:00,880
might be russia

1121
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:03,040
yeah yeah i mean and what's it what's

1122
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,200
the other uh option that all your um

1123
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:09,200
you know fighter pilot pilots or

1124
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,079
whatever

1125
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:13,680
um all are just chasing venus over and

1126
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,550
what's

1127
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,480
you know that's the thing that i don't

1128
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:22,000
get because we're you know waiting for

1129
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,520
disclosure whatever you give us your

1130
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:25,839
information but if people just

1131
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:28,319
you know read documents they'll get

1132
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,040
their disclosure because it's pretty

1133
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,079
self-explanatory if you read all those

1134
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,040
back in 40s 50s yeah

1135
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,119
the frustration people like me have felt

1136
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,920
for a long time because as you can see

1137
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,240
just like you just said in actuality

1138
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,240
disclosure happened a long time ago it's

1139
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:46,000
just nobody's had the

1140
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:47,520
wherewithal to read through the

1141
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,720
documents right very few people have

1142
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:52,160
some people

1143
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,440
i've noticed that over the years like

1144
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,280
commenting on kevin randle's blog here

1145
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:57,359
and there over the years every once in a

1146
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,079
while see a commenter that gives me i go

1147
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,839
oh that guy's been reading you can tell

1148
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,599
that

1149
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,920
but every once in a while

1150
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,119
yeah

1151
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:09,599
you're more from those people

1152
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,359
there are good researchers out there but

1153
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,440
we never hear about them to me it just

1154
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,760
made sense to start from the beginning

1155
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,520
you know okay if i'm getting into this i

1156
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,839
gotta see what what the heck happened

1157
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,440
let's go to the start

1158
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,680
and roswell was probably well obviously

1159
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:25,599
i didn't find anything on

1160
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,640
roswell because of whatever

1161
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,520
but i found a lot of other stuff in all

1162
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,760
those osi district folders i have in

1163
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,079
google drive each one of those has its

1164
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:38,240
own military-based sightings with

1165
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,829
but and it's the army

1166
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720
that

1167
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,880
came up with like you know i don't ever

1168
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,280
heard of jnf 46

1169
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,359
joint army navy air force publication

1170
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,240
146 and it's driven it

1171
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,560
the air force the joint army navy air

1172
00:43:01,510 --> 00:43:00,240
force publications that was all designed

1173
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,520
by the army

1174
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,760
see that's the thing all of this stuff a

1175
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,400
lot of these mysteries around this

1176
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,079
some of it is because we don't

1177
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,400
understand that it's it was the army not

1178
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,640
the air force the attorney was

1179
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:14,960
investigating flying discs not the air

1180
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:15,839
force

1181
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,560
and that continued i think that's what

1182
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,839
that riley ennis document

1183
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:26,960
shows excuse me

1184
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,240
well eight taken osi were investigating

1185
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,040
saucers correct yeah and for the year

1186
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,240
on the air force yeah but a good example

1187
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:38,560
better examples

1188
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:39,920
a really good example of what i'm

1189
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:42,560
talking about is uh before project sign

1190
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,319
was created

1191
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,680
a a

1192
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,440
a study was done just it was like the

1193
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,560
first uh estimate of the situation

1194
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,240
called for by a lieutenant colonel

1195
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,200
george garrett okay he was actually the

1196
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,920
first guy in in a way in charge of the

1197
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,480
secret saucer program he was one that

1198
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:03,839
initiated that by the study

1199
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,359
what at the time i found i found a cia

1200
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,119
document in the same way you do going

1201
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,839
through the library and crossfit and

1202
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,079
stuff i do that and

1203
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,440
i found him on a

1204
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,359
memo from the foreign broadcast

1205
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,760
information bureau which is important i

1206
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,440
bring this up that guy a really nice guy

1207
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:25,520
graham you had on your show

1208
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,680
you know some of those documents that

1209
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,280
you hear saying how innocuous they are

1210
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,440
the cia well those were foreign

1211
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,680
broadcast information

1212
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,000
service documents that that's what this

1213
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,040
relates to this memo i found was

1214
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,200
showed not only that general lieutenant

1215
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,640
colonel garrett was a member of the

1216
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,000
intelligence advisory committee oh

1217
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:47,599
he i see yeah

1218
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,640
yeah and he was the liaison

1219
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:53,200
for the intelligence advisory committee

1220
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,160
and

1221
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,800
army id's air staff even though he was

1222
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,880
in the air force he's listed as

1223
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,920
representing the army id air staff

1224
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,040
interestingly this mesh its air force

1225
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,280
but all these people were army first

1226
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,280
yeah no army

1227
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880
it's hard to explain in fact you look at

1228
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,040
the air force i still don't understand

1229
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,960
some of the tree

1230
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,720
of how the air force was connected and

1231
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,880
everything that it's

1232
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:21,440
thanks megan yep like share subscribe i

1233
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,680
appreciate it um

1234
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,640
yeah it's

1235
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,160
you know we talked to touched on this

1236
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,400
before it just seems like

1237
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,400
uh there were so many different people

1238
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,119
who had their hands on this stuff

1239
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,480
like dod had foreign reports

1240
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:38,960
you know or dia or whatever

1241
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,640
um nsa all and then you have the atec

1242
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:44,720
and then you have army

1243
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,359
this is like navy even dead the armed

1244
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,839
forces security agency

1245
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,760
nsa was before it was the nsa was the

1246
00:45:54,470 --> 00:45:53,520
armed forces

1247
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:54,480
and

1248
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,480
admitted it later in a lawsuit but that

1249
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,319
makes sense because one of their

1250
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,920
functions is

1251
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:04,480
to ease drop to find out where other

1252
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,400
signings are you know they're not just

1253
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:08,319
ease dropping for

1254
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,680
no reason

1255
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,680
they're looking for certain things and

1256
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:13,280
one of the things they listen for is if

1257
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,920
there's a if a sighting shows up yeah

1258
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,000
they listen they go in what they go to

1259
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,520
contact the nsa

1260
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,760
get us communications for this

1261
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,599
period of time we want to see if anybody

1262
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,839
reported did anybody talk about this did

1263
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,520
anybody anything and it's very important

1264
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,520
that they do it that way that way they

1265
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,200
get information without tainting the

1266
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,280
witness they're just eavesdropping

1267
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:35,280
on their conversation

1268
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,880
is that what the foreign broadcast

1269
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,839
things

1270
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,440
are or whatever well the foreign

1271
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,440
broadcaster that's a blanket service

1272
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,599
where they just pool from media okay

1273
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,359
foreign media and stuff in the same

1274
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,800
fashion but not

1275
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,800
eavesdropping they just gather

1276
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:50,720
publications and stuff

1277
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,839
constant it's just a constant battle of

1278
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,280
information flowing

1279
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,440
constantly from everywhere you can

1280
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,839
floating in the filter center what's

1281
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:02,480
your biggest takeaway from researching

1282
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:05,119
this date

1283
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,920
well

1284
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,680
the first thing i just mentioned there's

1285
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,359
a difference between

1286
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,920
unidentified aerial phenomena

1287
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,640
and unconventional aircraft

1288
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,599
okay and i i'm suspicious that they're

1289
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,160
trying to divorce those two

1290
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,680
so that we don't think about it that way

1291
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,280
and that was why i felt the tic tac

1292
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,839
story was so important because if

1293
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:28,000
they they had witnesses that said no it

1294
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,200
was a

1295
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,520
tangible aircraft of some kind

1296
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,920
i feel like they were trying to separate

1297
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,119
those two again because it's a lot

1298
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,760
easier to talk about willow the wisp

1299
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,440
than it is talking about some structured

1300
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,800
craft that we don't know where it came

1301
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,480
from right

1302
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,960
and uh i think it's important to note

1303
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,160
the difference that's all that's why i

1304
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,520
also i think it's important that we go

1305
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,480
through these old documents because like

1306
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:52,720
the mj12 server or anything else that i

1307
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:54,880
feel is disinformation you know

1308
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,069
you can slap me he can slap me on

1309
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:04,559
that this information will get piled up

1310
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,000
on it and it is nothing but a

1311
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,079
distraction whereas if you ground

1312
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,680
yourself in stuff that you have a

1313
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,280
pedigree for you know where these

1314
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,640
documents came from you don't have to

1315
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,160
question them

1316
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:16,800
legit these are all get those down

1317
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,790
that's true i feel like a lot of um the

1318
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:27,520
open-ended stories whether it be the mj

1319
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:30,079
12 stuff wilson davis stuff bob lazar

1320
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,119
whatever

1321
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:34,400
i feel like you can get so busy trying

1322
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,119
like going down those paths of

1323
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,359
you know paying attention to that story

1324
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:41,280
or trying to do your own research on

1325
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,079
that story and by the end of it

1326
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,160
sometimes it seems like it's designed to

1327
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,720
leave you empty-handed if you do

1328
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,119
and you're no better off than you were

1329
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:52,480
when you started

1330
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,440
so might as well go your own route right

1331
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:57,760
but yeah that's what i feel for sure

1332
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,470
it there's always truth with the lies

1333
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,160
you know so maybe

1334
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,160
there's more to it than we know but

1335
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,599
there's definitely a

1336
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,920
you know a couple lies in there he lied

1337
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,839
about his education bob lazar did at

1338
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,680
least but i don't

1339
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:17,920
you know blanket judge somebody based on

1340
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:20,720
one lie of course but

1341
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,119
you know it's

1342
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,640
yeah it's it can be very frustrating

1343
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,240
because you want to believe some of this

1344
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:30,880
stuff you know well let's say

1345
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,079
no if it came down to my character

1346
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,680
whether what i'm saying is true or not

1347
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,599
then you know then it

1348
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,119
that's what happened to lazar it comes

1349
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,520
down to his character almost right

1350
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,280
when it comes to that then and you got

1351
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,400
nothing

1352
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,000
that's why i think it's important like

1353
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,400
that whether whether it's me or you or

1354
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,559
somebody else people need to be aware

1355
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,640
that there's a foundation here

1356
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:55,359
and that get that foundation laid in you

1357
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:56,160
and

1358
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,760
these other people can say whatever they

1359
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,359
want but if you know something different

1360
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:01,200
you can quietly go wow

1361
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,920
no i i remember in 48 9 45 they no

1362
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,440
that guy's not telling the truth you

1363
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,280
know you can do that right you're

1364
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,720
totally ignorant

1365
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:12,559
these people

1366
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,520
right

1367
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,359
it reminds me of uh

1368
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,760
i spent a lot of time in sales kind of

1369
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,000
reminds me of sales like if you're a

1370
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,359
customer

1371
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,520
you have to do your research learning

1372
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,800
what you're buying

1373
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,480
otherwise these people can come up to

1374
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,040
you and say whatever they want and yeah

1375
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,480
okay that sounds great and you don't

1376
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,079
know any better

1377
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,400
yeah completely

1378
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:36,240
yeah unless you're buying nervous you

1379
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:42,790
yeah

1380
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,460
it's fine

1381
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:45,200
[Laughter]

1382
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,599
it works right i don't need a receipt

1383
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,520
yeah so so

1384
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,760
back to aztec sure

1385
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,640
yeah no problem the the thing that

1386
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,640
cements it for me

1387
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,119
why i keep kept going was like that i

1388
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:02,559
mentioned

1389
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,160
air defense command regulation 45 5

1390
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,359
air force regulation 200-1

1391
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,359
those two became super important because

1392
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,960
what i found

1393
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,400
was

1394
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,079
they would like i mentioned before they

1395
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,720
would update the date of those like a

1396
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:20,400
marker

1397
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,280
so

1398
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,960
after a while you get you could use

1399
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,720
those and say did what date did that

1400
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:27,119
happen well they updated 45.5 on this so

1401
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,559
you could pretty much guarantee that was

1402
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,839
the date it happened because they

1403
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,559
updated 45.5 on that date it's still the

1404
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,760
regulation

1405
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,440
but now it'll say

1406
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,119
as you know in accordance with

1407
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,680
regulation 45 5 and then the new date

1408
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:42,319
will be the day they post but

1409
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:43,280
again

1410
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,640
that was why iq on 25 march 1948 because

1411
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,599
before i found that riley ennis two-page

1412
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,880
directive

1413
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,400
i was seeing

1414
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,319
even though they update

1415
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,160
the march 25th date was mentioned more

1416
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,480
than any date i could find in the spot

1417
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,480
they just kept coming up over and over

1418
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,640
again they kept citing that particular

1419
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:04,880
date so i knew something

1420
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,760
flying disk wise had well

1421
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,440
if you looked at any of the files that i

1422
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,760
uploaded that you said pretty much you

1423
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:12,800
know look

1424
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,040
accurate there's one it there's a

1425
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,400
one in june of 48. you know

1426
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,480
in new mexico that's like santa fe or

1427
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,319
something but i mean they're they're all

1428
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,319
over that area

1429
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,790
my earliest reports were april 47 but

1430
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,119
you one of the documents you had that we

1431
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:38,160
read together that you showed us

1432
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:39,440
a few days ago

1433
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:40,400
showed

1434
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,300
january 1947 they had stuff

1435
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,880
[Laughter]

1436
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,559
i wasn't aware of that but it was

1437
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,119
obvious they mentioned it so yeah so

1438
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:51,839
they had stuff so that just proves

1439
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,800
even from researching we don't know

1440
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:55,920
squat

1441
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,400
right there so i'm convinced there were

1442
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,160
so many other things going on and so

1443
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,559
many other incidents

1444
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,520
that that were really behind the scenes

1445
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,000
sparking what was going on with this

1446
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,920
with the army investigating flying discs

1447
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880
and unconventional aircraft yeah wow

1448
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:14,880
well yeah and they were over caesar

1449
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,839
reports uh in sweden what was that 46 or

1450
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,880
something

1451
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,680
ghost rock sweden and greece

1452
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,440
and the foo fighters

1453
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,680
and um you know the central intelligence

1454
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:27,119
group was investigating the ghost

1455
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,720
rockets yes you know there's no doubt

1456
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,480
because it's a balloon

1457
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:34,720
yeah red well no because they were

1458
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:39,750
base some people still think they have

1459
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:41,119
evidence that it was

1460
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,839
but uh other documents i've read i don't

1461
00:53:48,549 --> 00:53:46,160
i don't buy that completely there could

1462
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,559
have been some testing going on that you

1463
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:50,880
know rockets were being seen but some of

1464
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,960
these uh like one of the documents

1465
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:54,240
signed by

1466
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,760
deputy uh director wright of the cig he

1467
00:54:04,950 --> 00:53:59,440
comes out and says they had debris

1468
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:07,109
i'm certainly not it's you know what's

1469
00:54:10,710 --> 00:54:08,960
term that term aliens is an interesting

1470
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:10,720
thing too because

1471
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:14,240
just like most other reasonable people

1472
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,240
when i first started coming across that

1473
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,960
term in some of these documents i just

1474
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,920
wrote

1475
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,559
obviously back then they used that term

1476
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:24,559
in other ways like foreign nationals and

1477
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,599
so sure but i admit some things in some

1478
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,160
of the really secret cia stuff i've read

1479
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:32,000
like you have some of the stuff they've

1480
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,359
released

1481
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:35,680
the term alien gets thrown out but it

1482
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,480
seems to only be used for some one

1483
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,920
particular group

1484
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,960
i mean

1485
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,280
in other times i'll say a lithuanian

1486
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,599
right right a little winning a guy from

1487
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,520
hungary but they'll mention but

1488
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,920
one group they just call them aliens

1489
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,400
so after what i tried okay who are they

1490
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:54,240
talking about

1491
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,799
my first best guess was they were nazis

1492
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,480
anybody that was a nazi maybe they

1493
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,559
referred to as an alien

1494
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:02,160
that kind of started making sense to me

1495
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:04,000
when i was putting it in context but

1496
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,960
then

1497
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,400
when i went back and i thought about

1498
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:08,880
aztec again and this is me going maybe

1499
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,200
i'm getting silly but i'm just thinking

1500
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,839
sure in the aztec story supposingly when

1501
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:16,240
they found the bodies they were all

1502
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,040
identical looking blonde haired blue

1503
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,559
eyed pale-skinned individuals well

1504
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,640
not grey aliens with big heads and black

1505
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,079
guys right

1506
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,559
and if that were true

1507
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,160
and if that's what they really looked

1508
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,880
like i could see if you're thinking it's

1509
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,839
russia and it's maybe some

1510
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,240
nazi component but they

1511
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,599
they would they probably thought they

1512
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:41,200
were nazis you know

1513
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,160
aaron

1514
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:43,440
connection

1515
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:46,640
so maybe that's why the alien word got

1516
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,839
con connected in that sense in in

1517
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,240
just a possibility this is speculation

1518
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:54,480
yeah that's that's the fun part though

1519
00:55:56,230 --> 00:55:55,359
because

1520
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,240
um

1521
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,160
you actually

1522
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,040
get to your point by beginning

1523
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,280
with speculation right

1524
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:05,680
in your hunch like i feel like there's

1525
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:09,200
something there yeah and you go for it

1526
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,359
yeah it's like the mccarthy thing i know

1527
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:13,760
it's crazy but now i'm suspicious

1528
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:16,319
there's a connection between aztec and

1529
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,240
the mccarthy hearings

1530
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,640
because oh my gosh i know it's crazy but

1531
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:22,160
it goes back to this member i told you

1532
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:23,119
metric

1533
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,160
cosmic background general bowling

1534
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,359
is the guy who's in charge of that well

1535
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,200
if you were to go look at the mccarthy

1536
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,880
hearings on there's some you can go on

1537
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,559
youtube

1538
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:35,920
there's a section

1539
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,240
it's kind of when it was more serious at

1540
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:40,000
the beginning before it got really crazy

1541
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,200
towards the end

1542
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,040
and general bowling is the guy that's on

1543
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:45,119
the witness stand oh wow

1544
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,920
and

1545
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,440
mccarthy's

1546
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:49,760
saying suddenly the subject of little

1547
00:56:52,950 --> 00:56:51,119
people comes up

1548
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,960
and they said little people yeah you

1549
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,200
know like fairies

1550
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,280
and i remember when i first like what

1551
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,200
the heck

1552
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,359
you know what are they talking about

1553
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,240
fury yeah a little people first and then

1554
00:57:07,990 --> 00:57:06,160
it kind of moved on and but now i'm

1555
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,000
looking back on that going whoa would

1556
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:10,000
that be maybe there's more to that

1557
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,000
fairies than you thought the same exact

1558
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,760
time period the stuff that ended up

1559
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:16,160
being aztec when it was leaking out

1560
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:23,109
have you ever

1561
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:27,839
yeah you have can we can we read the

1562
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,599
stories i do what i do is because of

1563
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:31,280
what happened to me growing up

1564
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:32,400
yeah

1565
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,839
do you mind sharing my first

1566
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,839
some of them and i and i think other

1567
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,400
people say the same thing some of them

1568
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:41,760
are memories

1569
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,240
and some of them are like dreams that i

1570
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,839
was that a memory or was that a dream

1571
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,359
did i dream that

1572
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,040
there's both

1573
00:57:53,589 --> 00:57:51,119
and but they have a similar flavor

1574
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,599
that's why they stick with me right the

1575
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:56,160
first memory was my stepdad and i was

1576
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,440
after my dad didn't come back from

1577
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,520
vietnam my mom remarried he was

1578
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,280
stationed at hunter army airfield in

1579
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,480
savannah georgia so we were living there

1580
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:06,720
and i o and i had this memory my whole

1581
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,720
childhood and i used to ask him about it

1582
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,839
occasionally he didn't want to talk

1583
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,720
about it

1584
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,680
but my memory is us stopped

1585
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,520
i'm out of the car towards the back of

1586
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,440
the car by the back left rear taillight

1587
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,280
and my dad i don't know i think i

1588
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,040
thought maybe he was changing a tire or

1589
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,720
something i don't know what he was doing

1590
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:27,839
but i looked up it's dark

1591
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:30,799
uh the right the geographies two lane

1592
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:34,160
highway was very common all over there

1593
00:58:38,789 --> 00:58:36,799
right side was a drop off there and then

1594
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,799
a forested area and the left side was

1595
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:40,960
like a glade and then the forest so it

1596
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:44,000
was a glade area first little

1597
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:45,520
all i remember

1598
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,160
it's dark i look up and what i remember

1599
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,480
like a blimp very large like a goodyear

1600
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,359
blimp

1601
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,359
it was right over the car and had rows

1602
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,880
of windows going all the way down the

1603
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,520
side and there were people inside and i

1604
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,240
waved like this and somebody inside

1605
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,400
waved back and that was my dad grabbed

1606
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:04,960
me threw me in the car and that's all i

1607
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,880
remember wow holy cow

1608
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,720
and that was a memory i had my own life

1609
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,640
and that kind of started me in fact in

1610
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:14,160
grammar school my mom used to get better

1611
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,680
because all the books i checked out were

1612
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,119
about ufos

1613
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,200
what year was that

1614
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:21,839
that in the 60s 60s

1615
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:27,440
interesting 69ish 67 to 72.

1616
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:28,319
crazy

1617
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,240
alien nothing else there's so many good

1618
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:34,880
books you could be reading

1619
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,920
what were you to tell me

1620
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,240
i have my own interests

1621
00:59:44,309 --> 00:59:41,599
well you know i don't know for some

1622
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:44,319
reason i was interested in an early age

1623
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,160
i always knew that someday we were going

1624
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,920
to be able to read these files and i i

1625
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,079
promised myself i was going to

1626
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,200
and so i i did as soon as uh in fact i

1627
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:55,040
want to i don't know the whole story

1628
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:56,160
what happened to the blue book

1629
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,760
archive.org

1630
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,359
but if it weren't for them i wouldn't

1631
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,960
have been able to read as many files as

1632
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,880
i did you know while they were now you

1633
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:04,400
go to fold three

1634
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,400
uh connected to the archives uh

1635
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:10,400
newspapers.com handles them now

1636
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,990
thanks megan

1637
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,589
i appreciate it

1638
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,200
you guys are really kind this is really

1639
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:23,200
cool having you on too i hope i'm not

1640
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,359
driving any of your audience away yeah

1641
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:26,960
they all left but there's no one left

1642
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,829
you know but we did hit the hour so

1643
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,359
um

1644
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:36,799
anything else you want to touch on

1645
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:37,920
before we

1646
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,319
there's so much you can come back to you

1647
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,400
know maybe someday i can come back or

1648
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:43,839
something because there's so much

1649
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:45,040
information

1650
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,799
i'm still trying really hard to find out

1651
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:48,400
more information about this john whalen

1652
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
guy because he shows up

1653
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:53,280
thanks scott love you

1654
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:57,359
there there's so much information to get

1655
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,880
that i could do anything i can go

1656
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,640
another hour i just don't wanna know

1657
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,240
yeah whatever

1658
01:01:05,750 --> 01:01:03,760
it's good with me or come back some

1659
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,760
other time um

1660
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,440
let's see

1661
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:09,920
yeah today's thursday i'm not doing a

1662
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:12,720
show tomorrow it's a big phone home so

1663
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,599
um

1664
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,760
if we can take a break yeah

1665
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,280
do whatever you like i'm hoping we can

1666
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:18,960
do it okay

1667
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:21,760
this guy is like my other siding i just

1668
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,079
okay i just prefer uh people call it

1669
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:25,760
encore encore

1670
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,750
all right so i'm gonna

1671
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:35,599
boot us out

1672
01:04:41,750 --> 01:01:37,200
um

1673
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:41,760
day

1674
01:04:55,910 --> 01:04:53,210
yeah yeah

1675
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,920
[Music]

1676
01:05:02,870 --> 01:04:58,140
it's the dark of the day

1677
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:02,880
[Music]

1678
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:08,870
it's the ultimate document of the day

1679
01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:11,440
today isn't it holy cow do we got

1680
01:05:13,110 --> 01:05:12,720
documents

1681
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,120
um

1682
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,920
[Music]

1683
01:05:19,070 --> 01:05:18,160
and we still have mr robert cofort here

1684
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,080
with us

1685
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,039
[Laughter]

1686
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,400
yeah so um

1687
01:05:30,069 --> 01:05:25,920
yeah don't tease us he said you're going

1688
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,390
i don't know why i'm telling you because

1689
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,920
i don't tell anybody this story i think

1690
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,400
three people know this but what the heck

1691
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,119
i'm 62 i'm not gonna be here much longer

1692
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,359
who cares what people think okay but

1693
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,200
this is a true story what i'm about to

1694
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,440
tell you and i'll tell it exactly the

1695
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,680
way it won't elaborate

1696
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,559
some of it could be dream but you'll see

1697
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,480
what i'm talking about okay

1698
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:55,440
1990 we took a scuba diving vacation to

1699
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,640
the bahamas

1700
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,039
to this really secluded place

1701
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:01,280
uh called small hope bay lodge in the

1702
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:03,039
bahamas

1703
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,400
and

1704
01:06:09,190 --> 01:06:06,880
it was my wife's side of the family very

1705
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:09,200
big family lots of important people

1706
01:06:13,349 --> 01:06:11,200
scientists and

1707
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:13,359
medical people and just generally smart

1708
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:16,480
people i'm just a mailman but i'm in

1709
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,000
their family so i get to go too so

1710
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:20,160
that's great and i knew i scuba dived

1711
01:06:25,589 --> 01:06:24,000
so i that was great and supposedly good

1712
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:25,599
diving there in the bahamas i've never

1713
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,480
been

1714
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,640
and so we're all it's a nice place it's

1715
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:30,480
it's set up purposely so that you don't

1716
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,160
have any amenities you have like a cot

1717
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:36,079
in a little hut you sleep in there's no

1718
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,200
phone

1719
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,880
every morning you show up at the

1720
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,799
clubhouse if you want to eat

1721
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:43,119
and if you don't get you know you can't

1722
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,799
eat until they serve food again is that

1723
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:47,119
kind of things meant to be rustic for

1724
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:48,319
you to just get out there and lay in the

1725
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,440
hammock and

1726
01:06:54,069 --> 01:06:52,000
not have to worry about anything right

1727
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,079
that sounds brutal

1728
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:56,079
we were there it was like on the second

1729
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:57,280
day

1730
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,839
it was the second

1731
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,280
day i had

1732
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,119
i was i don't know if you know who bill

1733
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:05,039
cooper is you ever heard that guy's name

1734
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,200
sounds familiar but yeah

1735
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,839
about the same time period lazar showed

1736
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,680
up on the scene and another guy bill

1737
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,119
english and

1738
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:14,640
bill cooper

1739
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:17,760
crazy guy in a sense but uh

1740
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:18,559
he

1741
01:07:23,829 --> 01:07:22,240
put into a lot of people's mind about

1742
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,839
how they're eating us you know they're

1743
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:25,680
they're abducting us and grinding us

1744
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,640
into a yellow amber liquid and here are

1745
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,559
photographs leaked out of a base and

1746
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,400
showing body parts you know there's that

1747
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:34,400
kind of thing came out so it's really

1748
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,240
scary you know trying to scare people

1749
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:37,760
kind of thing

1750
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,280
and i remember being in the clubhouse

1751
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,280
i was we were going to do a big dive in

1752
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:45,839
the next morning a big scuba dive

1753
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,799
a 100-foot dive those these cliffs would

1754
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,000
go down underwater and they were going

1755
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,160
to show it to us

1756
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:55,520
but i was at the clubhouse at the bar

1757
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,440
with the dive master and his girlfriend

1758
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,119
and we were we were going to play risk

1759
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,720
in enough

1760
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,160
board games

1761
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:04,160
definitely it was all set up when we

1762
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:05,280
were gonna go but then we started

1763
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,799
talking about and somehow the subject of

1764
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:08,720
ufos came up and

1765
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,400
you can guess it's like because i was

1766
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,839
the guy in the family if i went to a

1767
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,440
party people kind of moved to the other

1768
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:14,799
room because

1769
01:08:20,679 --> 01:08:17,520
the the subject would somehow go to ufos

1770
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:22,390
[Laughter]

1771
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,640
that happened this we were at the bar

1772
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,640
and i started telling him about well the

1773
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:29,120
latest i told him about bill cooper

1774
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,839
and the woman sitting next to me

1775
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,080
of all things she told me i don't have

1776
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,159
any reason to doubt her she was daniel

1777
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,520
sheehan's secretary oh well

1778
01:08:43,349 --> 01:08:42,400
and she lit up at me so angry with me

1779
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,359
she goes

1780
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,520
this is ridiculous they're not eating us

1781
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,679
this is all nonsense stuff i don't know

1782
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,040
and i kept trying to hear all i'm not

1783
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,880
saying this is what that guy bill cooper

1784
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:52,719
was saying i was just trying to tell him

1785
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,080
what the latest info was at the top and

1786
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,839
it just happened to be this guy but she

1787
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:59,759
was taking it like i was pushing that

1788
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,359
narrative like that's what's going on

1789
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,199
she got really mad at me

1790
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,839
and then stormed away and from the barn

1791
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,839
like i don't know

1792
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:09,520
i think i believe that i'm just saying

1793
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:11,520
that's what's going on

1794
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,159
so don't worry about her you know

1795
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,799
and then i think we had a small shot of

1796
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,759
something like goodnight we'll see

1797
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:22,159
that night i had the weirdest dream i

1798
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,839
couldn't remember everything about but

1799
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,080
it was one of those like is this a dream

1800
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,600
kind of dream you know you get ones that

1801
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,080
are really intense and you know the

1802
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:32,080
difference between them it was one of

1803
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,040
those

1804
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:35,040
and when i woke up the last thing i saw

1805
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,199
before i woke up was someone showed me

1806
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,359
what looked like a nutcracker you know

1807
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,040
from the nutcracker suite a guy with a

1808
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,679
soldier and he had really red cheeks

1809
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,920
red nose that kind of look

1810
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:48,000
i don't know why or i remember reminding

1811
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,359
me of the beatles

1812
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,600
with the haircut

1813
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,679
like ringo starr or something like that

1814
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,600
anyway i somebody's showing me this and

1815
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,199
then i wake up

1816
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,600
and i go that was weird and i roll over

1817
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:01,679
and my wife rolls over and her face

1818
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,239
looks exactly like that she's all red on

1819
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,159
the cheeks and red on the nose exactly

1820
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:08,560
like that doll and i'm like whoa what

1821
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,239
happened to you and she's like i don't

1822
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,880
feel good somehow she developed a sinus

1823
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,920
infection

1824
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:14,719
and

1825
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:21,440
your sinus so she couldn't go on the

1826
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:22,800
dive but she

1827
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:24,159
she was feeling good enough she went out

1828
01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:27,040
with us so we're out on the dive

1829
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:29,520
when i get to the dive boat

1830
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,199
to meet the dive master and the

1831
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,360
girlfriend race up to me he's really

1832
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,719
pissed

1833
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,480
and i'm like what's going on these are

1834
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:37,760
the two people i was with that night

1835
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:39,600
before

1836
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,280
he said i don't know what you put in our

1837
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:43,840
drinks but both my girlfriend i dreamed

1838
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,080
the aliens came last night and took us

1839
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:48,480
and i said i didn't do anything i just

1840
01:10:51,750 --> 01:10:50,880
was talking i don't know what to do and

1841
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:51,760
then

1842
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,960
face went back to normal and everything

1843
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,480
was cool

1844
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,480
so i went okay that was weird so we did

1845
01:11:02,390 --> 01:10:59,840
our dive

1846
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,400
i know this is taking a while but that's

1847
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,600
fine i'm listening

1848
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:05,360
you'll see why so we're out on it's a

1849
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,719
flat

1850
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,400
uh thing with railings around it you

1851
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,640
know so you can put the tanks around i'm

1852
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,880
sitting on the bench and it's really

1853
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,400
still water we've gone to this place

1854
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:16,239
where somebody wanted a snorkel before

1855
01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,840
we did our dive so

1856
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,600
kathy didn't want to get in on my wife

1857
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,840
and so i sat with her and i'm looking

1858
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,760
and i see a dorsal fin cutting the

1859
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,159
surface heading towards us like a movie

1860
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,719
like a jaw

1861
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:29,840
shark

1862
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,239
and i shouldn't have said anything i

1863
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,400
because i didn't think you know the dive

1864
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,760
master looks up and goes well it looks

1865
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,120
like it and then it went back under the

1866
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,520
water and he was like going oh man we

1867
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:42,320
got divers in the water

1868
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,679
all of a sudden

1869
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,080
below me something comes up and it's

1870
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,120
just huge it's a whale shark and he just

1871
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,040
rises up right in my hand so i reach

1872
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,679
down and i touch it and i go oh my

1873
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,760
goodness it's a whale shark and boy was

1874
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,080
i sorry i said that the second i said

1875
01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:00,000
that the two other people the dive

1876
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:02,640
master started throwing on their gear

1877
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:04,480
and he starts singing the

1878
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,080
wheel shot baby he's going oh my god

1879
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,880
they all jump on it and the thing

1880
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:12,080
goes back into the water and i'm going

1881
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:15,280
no you know i had this moment yeah stole

1882
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:18,640
it from me and i was so upset

1883
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:21,440
so i grabbed a mask i put the mask on i

1884
01:12:25,510 --> 01:12:23,440
leaned over and i put my face in i just

1885
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:25,520
in time to see the dive master had the

1886
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,880
dorsal fin

1887
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,640
and he's and the thing's going down in a

1888
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:30,560
dive and you can tell he's still singing

1889
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:31,290
that song

1890
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,480
[Laughter]

1891
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,480
and i remember feeling terrible for that

1892
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,120
thing going what see that's exactly you

1893
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:41,199
know where i was going no problem right

1894
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,000
there

1895
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,120
why do we do that

1896
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,520
came back up we went back in

1897
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,120
that's all that happened you know the

1898
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,679
dive was the trip was over whatever days

1899
01:12:54,790 --> 01:12:53,040
everyone went home

1900
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:54,800
this the night

1901
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,520
the very first night we were back home

1902
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,640
i had the

1903
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,199
a dream that was like nothing else i've

1904
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,719
ever experienced in my life and i've

1905
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:04,400
always been into my dreams

1906
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,159
this dream was like more like what we've

1907
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:08,320
heard somebody there was like a download

1908
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:09,199
from a

1909
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,679
and

1910
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,120
i relived

1911
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:17,840
something that i had forgotten about

1912
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:20,080
that happened on the island well here's

1913
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,360
what when i when i when it starts i'm

1914
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:25,040
back in the hut with the dive

1915
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,800
mastermind's girlfriend

1916
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,640
except they're sitting

1917
01:13:33,189 --> 01:13:30,400
like dolls

1918
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,199
staring like this and i'm going hello

1919
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,880
what's going on everybody in the room

1920
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,400
there's a couple of other people too but

1921
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,880
they're all just sitting like mannequins

1922
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,560
not saying anything not doing anything

1923
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,239
it's like what and then i hear a

1924
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,159
commotion outside

1925
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:46,320
and so i grabbed the spring loaded door

1926
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:48,320
and there's gravel outside just gravel

1927
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,080
little rocks

1928
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,080
and i go outside and i remember i could

1929
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:54,080
hear the crunching of the rocks as i'm

1930
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:55,600
on it and somebody was saying there's

1931
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:57,760
something in the palm tree so i look up

1932
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,760
in the pantry and there was a black mass

1933
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,960
up there

1934
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:02,960
and i don't know why i suddenly got

1935
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,760
scared and people were running

1936
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,600
somebody ran by me another person ran by

1937
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:09,280
me maybe this is all supposedly a dream

1938
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:10,080
right

1939
01:14:16,229 --> 01:14:14,480
and so

1940
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,239
i'm getting more fearful because people

1941
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,880
are bolting so i start bolting

1942
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:21,199
and when i get to the end of the

1943
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,800
building and i turn around i turn on

1944
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:25,600
just in time to see

1945
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,640
little glowing things coming towards me

1946
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,880
what they looked like was uh

1947
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,719
things that had

1948
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,520
the the outside was like a giant light

1949
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,520
bulb but it was made out of like

1950
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,640
motherboard

1951
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,360
material that the brown kind not the

1952
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,760
green ones the brown motherboard

1953
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,679
material that has the shellac on the top

1954
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:47,679
and everything is that shiny brown

1955
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,640
color like like uh

1956
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:52,000
brown skin

1957
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,679
they were coming towards me

1958
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,520
and they were glowing and i started

1959
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,440
panicking they came upon me they were

1960
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,520
very much shorter than me and i just

1961
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,280
started grabbing them and i guess my

1962
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,679
christianity roots came out

1963
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:05,679
instantaneously and i started casting

1964
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,120
them out like they were demons i started

1965
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:09,120
going i got you out in the name of jesus

1966
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,480
and i

1967
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,719
kept doing that and like four of them

1968
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:14,560
and on the fourth one and they felt like

1969
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,159
nothing it was like they were light as

1970
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,320
feathers and i was tossing them into a

1971
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:20,719
pile they ended up kind of in a pile of

1972
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:21,920
because i kept throwing them with the

1973
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:23,920
same strength so they were landing in

1974
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,679
the same spot

1975
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:28,000
and before i got to the third or on to

1976
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,199
the fourth one

1977
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,800
there were two figures in the distance

1978
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,880
that i hadn't really keyed in yet and i

1979
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,400
looked up and saw them and they were

1980
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,480
both much taller than me

1981
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,320
and the one on the right side there were

1982
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:40,640
two of them one on the right was red and

1983
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:42,159
the one on the other one was blue kind

1984
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:42,960
of like

1985
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:45,360
think of the movie you know uh

1986
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:47,520
matrix with the blue the red pill just

1987
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:49,040
like that

1988
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,800
the most intense blue you've ever seen

1989
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,440
in your life the most beautiful

1990
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,800
blue color

1991
01:15:58,470 --> 01:15:56,480
i could even imagine

1992
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:58,480
and the red was the most beautiful red

1993
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,080
color like rubies you know what i mean

1994
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:04,000
one of them i don't know why i can't

1995
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,440
remember if it was the red one or the

1996
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,960
blue and it's probably important too for

1997
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:09,440
my psyche

1998
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,320
i'll find out but one of them

1999
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,719
did a move towards me

2000
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:16,320
like uh

2001
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,280
you could call like the best kung fu

2002
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,360
master a combination between that and

2003
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:24,239
those balinese japanese dancers

2004
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:25,199
i don't know if you've ever seen those

2005
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:27,040
but they put their double jointed

2006
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,719
fingers like this and they usually paint

2007
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:30,400
their eyes so that they're really big

2008
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:31,440
and white

2009
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,199
and they when they move they move in

2010
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,360
weird pair ready but that's what this

2011
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:38,000
guy he was far away from me first and he

2012
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,360
did like three

2013
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,480
like

2014
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,400
kung fu type spirits and then he was

2015
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,760
like on me

2016
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,920
and his face was right up my mind and i

2017
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:47,600
immediately went limp

2018
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:49,840
my hands went down my sides

2019
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:52,000
he was standing next to me

2020
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,960
and

2021
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,040
all i remember at that point was

2022
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,920
thinking do not forget this

2023
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,000
even though i was like almost paralyzed

2024
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,679
i could move my eyes and as i was

2025
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:04,320
concentrating and i turned i craned my

2026
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:05,679
head and he was standing right next to

2027
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,719
me his shoulders came up to about here

2028
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:11,120
his jacket was like nothing i've ever

2029
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,400
seen in my life

2030
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,280
it was it went it reminded me of hindu

2031
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:17,760
kind of had a notch here

2032
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,239
and it went down below the knees but it

2033
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,320
buttoned kind of like

2034
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,120
old time like french soldiers or

2035
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:27,679
colonial the colonial time period

2036
01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:30,640
it had that overlap look with buttons

2037
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:32,800
rows of buttons going up but the jacket

2038
01:17:38,390 --> 01:17:35,120
itself was like made of

2039
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,400
gold and jewels or something i mean it

2040
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:40,880
sparkled and shown

2041
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,040
and i remember staring at it going oh my

2042
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:45,520
i'm never going to forget this

2043
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,640
and then he moved over to my left

2044
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,719
grabbed my hand

2045
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,640
and all of a sudden

2046
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,719
i'm a little boy running through a glade

2047
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,199
it was like a the most beautiful scene

2048
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,520
you could imagine for yourself i i felt

2049
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:01,120
that feeling when you're little and you

2050
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,880
know how many cares and you're just

2051
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,480
happy and you're going out to visit your

2052
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:06,159
friend you know and you're running on

2053
01:18:10,709 --> 01:18:08,320
the street and i remember like you know

2054
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,719
dust and then butterflies and like you

2055
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,679
know

2056
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,920
and but then i realized wait a second i

2057
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,440
that guy's holding my hand this isn't

2058
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,120
real and i

2059
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,280
the dream broke and he i was back and he

2060
01:18:22,229 --> 01:18:21,040
was holding my hand again and he let go

2061
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:22,239
of my hand and put his hand on my

2062
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:23,360
shoulder like

2063
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,320
it's okay i we understand that like i'm

2064
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,480
a little kid and he's your dad

2065
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,719
like don't worry buddy we got this you

2066
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:31,840
know

2067
01:18:35,470 --> 01:18:34,400
well that's all i remember

2068
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:35,480
i woke up that's all

2069
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,120
[Laughter]

2070
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:38,800
after that download i mean it was like

2071
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:40,960
that and i was like my heart's pounding

2072
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:41,760
it's like

2073
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,640
whoa

2074
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:45,360
wow it's stayed with me ever since if if

2075
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:46,880
it was a dream it was a dream but i have

2076
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,800
never had anything like that before or

2077
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,320
since yeah

2078
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:55,030
i think dreams um

2079
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:56,080
definitely

2080
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:57,600
um

2081
01:19:01,590 --> 01:18:59,840
can count for sure

2082
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:01,600
um i don't think we fully understand

2083
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:03,360
them either but um

2084
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:05,760
i can tell you that yeah i've had a

2085
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:06,880
dream

2086
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:12,400
of actually seeing these things

2087
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,640
around a dream that came true that i had

2088
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,560
two years prior like

2089
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,719
so dreams

2090
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,159
are

2091
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:21,760
that's your consciousness that's your

2092
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:23,440
subconsciousness

2093
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,280
and all this talk with consciousness and

2094
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,520
everything how could dreams not play a

2095
01:19:32,229 --> 01:19:30,320
role you know it seems like it maybe not

2096
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:32,239
everyone but

2097
01:19:35,590 --> 01:19:33,120
you know

2098
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,600
it i know you mean that certain dreams

2099
01:19:39,990 --> 01:19:37,920
are definitely

2100
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,000
different you know like

2101
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,480
when i had that dream two years prior to

2102
01:19:46,470 --> 01:19:44,880
my experience it stuck with me and it

2103
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:46,480
was just a simple argument dream or

2104
01:19:51,990 --> 01:19:48,840
whatever

2105
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,000
um you know and then i saw those things

2106
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,840
i argued in real life

2107
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:56,080
it was pretty weird you know

2108
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,040
um

2109
01:20:02,149 --> 01:19:59,920
yeah but you know dreams where you wake

2110
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:02,159
up crying like that's real there's

2111
01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:03,520
something there

2112
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,960
you know

2113
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:05,760
so

2114
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:06,639
i'm

2115
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,320
um

2116
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:12,480
a lot more to do with maybe our

2117
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,719
subconscious structure than we'd like to

2118
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:15,920
admit

2119
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:18,239
yeah sometimes i feel like we're broken

2120
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,760
like we're

2121
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,600
we're meant for something but something

2122
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,360
happened and we're slightly broken and

2123
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,159
so it's like we're misfiring

2124
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:28,000
we're supposed to have abilities but

2125
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:29,520
we're somehow

2126
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:32,000
misaligned or something there's i've had

2127
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,840
like you i've had a bunch over my that

2128
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:36,239
was another thing happened growing up

2129
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:39,360
tons of incidental dreams that came true

2130
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,080
yeah which always had you have had the

2131
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,000
effect on me that i always questioned

2132
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,080
time what the heck is time because how

2133
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,920
could your dream that comes true if time

2134
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:49,040
is linear

2135
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:50,880
right no way for you to know ahead of

2136
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:53,360
time what was going to happen yeah so it

2137
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,120
really lends more to the feeling that

2138
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,679
maybe time is like this circular or or a

2139
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,040
spiral or

2140
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:02,159
seems like it seems like it i felt like

2141
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:04,560
whatever it is whatever happened like

2142
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:08,080
maybe that was a memory like implanted

2143
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,080
for some reason at that time and maybe i

2144
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,560
didn't really have a dream or maybe the

2145
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:15,120
dream was the

2146
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,239
original

2147
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:19,040
you know seed of the event or whatever

2148
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,120
so because if i just

2149
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:22,639
you know if i think about what i would

2150
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,040
need for that to be dramatic

2151
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:29,840
it hit like all the things

2152
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:30,719
you know

2153
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:33,679
that i would need to be like holy cow

2154
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:36,159
you know the two sightings that tease me

2155
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,600
around a dream coming true like

2156
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:41,440
not on the day it comes through either

2157
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,719
like right before and after

2158
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:46,320
like they're just flying around this

2159
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:48,000
thing happening

2160
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,360
it's weird yeah but whatever it is seems

2161
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,600
to definitely have some connection with

2162
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:56,400
our consciences of some at some time

2163
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:57,280
yeah

2164
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:58,960
but there you know it leads to that

2165
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,400
other question and i i tried to bring

2166
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,639
this up in chat one time

2167
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:04,480
with all this talk about consciousness

2168
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,199
and

2169
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,920
bringing them to you the problem is

2170
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:09,679
you don't know who you're bringing to

2171
01:22:12,790 --> 01:22:11,520
you why would you want to do that it's

2172
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:12,800
kind of like why i don't think we should

2173
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,679
have seti why would you want to scream

2174
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:17,760
out here i am when you don't even know

2175
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,800
what's out there how do you have bullies

2176
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,560
and now you've now you've let them know

2177
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:24,000
where the playground is you play on and

2178
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,040
now they're going to start coming and

2179
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,040
they're going to bully us yeah jacquez

2180
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,920
vale kind of speaks that way a lot

2181
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:32,000
about contact and stuff like we would be

2182
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:33,920
taking these kind of risks

2183
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,800
just so we it's almost like well i know

2184
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,400
we're not going to find anything so i

2185
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:40,320
can do this and i'm going to make money

2186
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,880
and i can yeah he's just

2187
01:22:45,990 --> 01:22:44,239
oh yeah i'm head of this group we're

2188
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:46,000
looking for aliens you know

2189
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:47,600
yeah the whole time they think we're

2190
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:49,280
never going to find anything this is a

2191
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:50,880
good job man

2192
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:53,679
yeah

2193
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,120
that's uh

2194
01:22:58,650 --> 01:22:57,679
yeah that's a slippery slope that i'm

2195
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,660
sure happens

2196
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,760
[Laughter]

2197
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:01,199
it's the same that's why i don't like

2198
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:03,760
this leaked information stuff i stay

2199
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,560
i recommended people be really don't

2200
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,080
listen to this leaked information

2201
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,320
doesn't matter who it is if they say

2202
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,920
they have a source but they can't tell

2203
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,199
you who it is

2204
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,560
even if it's somebody you love a

2205
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:16,480
journalist or something if that's where

2206
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,520
they're going

2207
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,239
you gotta you to be careful because

2208
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,159
that's i've seen that happen too with

2209
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:24,320
even good people they get desperate

2210
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,840
because they're used to being the person

2211
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,000
that provides information and then they

2212
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:30,000
get through these dry periods and they

2213
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,920
go what am i going to do and the next

2214
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,760
thing you know oh i've got this source

2215
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,560
and

2216
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,639
yeah i can't tell you who they are but

2217
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:38,960
they told me that you know

2218
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,070
we got to be careful

2219
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,600
yeah no i agree and i know i catch black

2220
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,400
for this but i i've been burned so many

2221
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,080
times by that kind of stuff and

2222
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:55,760
including that like the document that

2223
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:58,320
supposedly talks about aztec

2224
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:00,080
it's not a real document and it talks

2225
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,280
about mj12 majestic too but it how could

2226
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,760
it it's not real so it just adds more

2227
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,760
fuel to my fire that the whole thing is

2228
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:09,360
it's just some kind of perpetuate like

2229
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:11,920
you were saying to drag us away these

2230
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,760
are all things to draw our attention

2231
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:14,880
away

2232
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,760
from from something else yeah

2233
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:18,880
uh

2234
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,840
operation trojan horse that that's his

2235
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,880
you know i've been talking about that

2236
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:24,560
book a lot lately and i will until i

2237
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:26,880
start reading another one but

2238
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,239
but uh that's kind of his take on these

2239
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,520
things and he actually mentions that

2240
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,920
they were constantly leaving material

2241
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,400
behind but every time they would go

2242
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,480
analyze it it would just be like normal

2243
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,239
metals or tin

2244
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,360
and his theory was that they're

2245
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,520
dropping these things on purpose so you

2246
01:24:52,310 --> 01:24:49,760
get stuck in this revolving door of

2247
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,320
figuring out what the material is and

2248
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,480
you know how can we use it but meanwhile

2249
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:57,280
you're just being distracted from what

2250
01:25:02,070 --> 01:25:00,239
they really are or whatever you know so

2251
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:02,080
i don't know what the truth is there but

2252
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,520
it made sense

2253
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:05,440
and at the same time people like there

2254
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,639
are

2255
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,000
people uh

2256
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,639
mr phillips ted phillips god bless him

2257
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:12,880
he's not with us anymore either but

2258
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:16,000
he put together lots of trace cases you

2259
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,600
know so there is

2260
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:19,040
there's some real good evidence for

2261
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:22,480
trace and specimens left behind that are

2262
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,400
still anomalous

2263
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:26,159
uh besides that you know besides the

2264
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:27,600
ones that have come out that are not you

2265
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,880
know yeah there's plenty of other

2266
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,760
stuff

2267
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:32,800
yeah

2268
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,639
just just seems like there's so much

2269
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:37,120
trickery involved with it that

2270
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:37,920
if

2271
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:38,840
the

2272
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,560
whatever

2273
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:43,600
has

2274
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,000
to be the leader of this trickery

2275
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,560
you know otherwise we would have found

2276
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,280
uh our military or whatever would have

2277
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:53,360
figured something out by now i think you

2278
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:55,760
know yeah but you know that's just

2279
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,000
speculation i guess but

2280
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:00,080
it is what it is all right

2281
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,560
the other thing is anybody

2282
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:04,639
whether it was me or anybody else if

2283
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,280
they if it becomes the person and not

2284
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:10,080
the information and if you can't

2285
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:12,000
read and verify the information they're

2286
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,440
talking about on your own then i would

2287
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,600
not waste much time with them no matter

2288
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:17,760
what they're talking about because when

2289
01:26:21,910 --> 01:26:19,679
it starts becoming the person

2290
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:21,920
that's a good point that seems to point

2291
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,159
that there was always the person it was

2292
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,920
always about that person that was what

2293
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,840
it was always about from the beginning

2294
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,239
it was never about the information

2295
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,760
because if it was

2296
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:33,679
the person wouldn't be important at all

2297
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:35,840
be relevant yeah it would be irrelevant

2298
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,800
yeah the information is what's relevant

2299
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,040
but yet you know when the stuff comes

2300
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:42,719
out we pretty much just talk about the

2301
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:44,880
person

2302
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,520
we like famous people if we like

2303
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:49,679
yeah and people like to be famous so

2304
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,199
that's like there are a few problems

2305
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,520
there that it's perfect

2306
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,760
like the perfect storm yeah that's

2307
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:57,679
something that i don't i think a lot of

2308
01:27:03,350 --> 01:26:59,920
people don't uh think about thoroughly

2309
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:03,360
enough is when you know if this big

2310
01:27:07,350 --> 01:27:05,840
disclosure happens where like everybody

2311
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,360
even people who don't pay attention to

2312
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:09,120
this now believe

2313
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:12,320
that uh something is here or exists

2314
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,159
and celebrities start getting involved

2315
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,920
and all that you know a lot of people

2316
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,080
say that's good that's what we want but

2317
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:20,080
a lot of people don't realize what then

2318
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,000
happens with this stuff when those

2319
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,159
people are involved

2320
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,520
and all you have to look at is you know

2321
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,040
what

2322
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,880
how they treat everything else in their

2323
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,360
life now you know can you imagine like

2324
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:36,320
kardashian's got a reality show

2325
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,639
you know and it's about the benny the

2326
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,480
alien that they're hanging out with now

2327
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:42,960
or whatever like

2328
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:45,360
it's just all the integrity is taken

2329
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,120
away from whatever it is they join

2330
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:51,520
and that's why i am sensitive about

2331
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:54,239
money and this subject

2332
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,199
uh

2333
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:57,600
big money like i mean like

2334
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,679
when i hear stories about

2335
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:01,360
somebody who i know

2336
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,910
good good old spaghetti uh

2337
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:10,080
and then they were gonna speak at one of

2338
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:13,040
these conventions these ufo things and i

2339
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,480
remember them telling me how appalled

2340
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,400
they were that when

2341
01:28:20,310 --> 01:28:18,239
it was uh they were scheduled for like

2342
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:20,320
three that afternoon and

2343
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,000
some other big names i'm not gonna name

2344
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:24,800
any names but some of big names in the

2345
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,040
he said it was so appalling

2346
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,120
that when they arrived

2347
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:31,520
they were like in bulletproof limousines

2348
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,750
it was like you think it was the rolling

2349
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:39,360
stones right

2350
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,480
and then it was like that when they

2351
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:42,239
would enter the stage you know the

2352
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,920
person that was before them said some

2353
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,679
important things but

2354
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,360
that's all forgotten now because now the

2355
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,159
star is here the star that's got all the

2356
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:52,400
information and you know the the the

2357
01:28:59,910 --> 01:28:56,639
problem with that is this star who um

2358
01:29:02,950 --> 01:28:59,920
you know is profiting off of this

2359
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,960
now is not interested

2360
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:05,040
in disclosure because along with

2361
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:06,480
disclosure

2362
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,510
you know maybe even people who

2363
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,440
deliberately put you off the right track

2364
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,639
who knows

2365
01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:28,880
exactly that's why this leaked stuff is

2366
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,320
not good don't pay attention to material

2367
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:33,920
doesn't matter who it is somebody you

2368
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:36,000
like if they say well i just got this

2369
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,280
from such and such and it can't be

2370
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,600
verified like like a good example you

2371
01:29:44,229 --> 01:29:42,320
know is this the secret report no but

2372
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,239
this was just leaked to me you know i

2373
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:46,080
don't even look at that stuff

2374
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:47,920
i i only looked at it because you went

2375
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:50,840
over it when it first happened

2376
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,760
sorry you know and that's good because

2377
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,679
that's why picking it apart like that to

2378
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,920
see if there's anything valuable in it

2379
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,040
but

2380
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,719
the person who originally said hey this

2381
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:02,159
was just leaked to me

2382
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,600
that person should have never said

2383
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:06,000
anything because it wasn't his job or

2384
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:08,960
her job to do that if it's leaked then

2385
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,239
maybe you should be

2386
01:30:16,229 --> 01:30:12,480
not talking about it until we can get

2387
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:16,239
some verification for it right

2388
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:18,320
before you start leaking stuff out the

2389
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:20,639
interesting thing is um

2390
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:21,679
there's

2391
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:23,760
a whole bunch of

2392
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,840
uh things said along with those leaks

2393
01:30:28,470 --> 01:30:27,520
that isn't true like

2394
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,480
um

2395
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,960
i remember specifically

2396
01:30:35,510 --> 01:30:33,040
someone who released something said

2397
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:35,520
everybody's whining about data data data

2398
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:38,800
well here's your data we got your data

2399
01:30:44,390 --> 01:30:41,199
where is it again

2400
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:46,390
because you're showing me something that

2401
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:51,199
captures data doesn't mean instead

2402
01:30:54,709 --> 01:30:53,120
yeah so yeah

2403
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,719
and there's there's admittedly some

2404
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:55,920
missing

2405
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,000
stuff even with the report that i'm

2406
01:31:02,070 --> 01:31:00,000
still missing by but i

2407
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:02,080
hate to keep blathering about it but the

2408
01:31:05,350 --> 01:31:04,000
national security space office that's a

2409
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:05,360
real thing

2410
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:08,080
and hardly anybody knows about it and i

2411
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:09,760
i am just confident

2412
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:12,560
where are they in that list of right

2413
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,760
they elicit geospatial you know agency

2414
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,679
and they are connected but

2415
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,840
no mention of national security space

2416
01:31:24,070 --> 01:31:21,760
office that's impossible

2417
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,080
they they not they i know for sure they

2418
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,480
don't just track neos they track all

2419
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,560
things that come in to our atmosphere

2420
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,400
which means they would be involved

2421
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:33,120
but they are that's why i mentioned

2422
01:31:37,110 --> 01:31:34,880
they're not in the fi they're not in the

2423
01:31:40,070 --> 01:31:37,120
list of agencies that are reporting on

2424
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:40,080
it so that that could mean

2425
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,480
you know like if one doesn't look like

2426
01:31:47,690 --> 01:31:45,360
the other what does that mean so

2427
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:47,700
there might be something fishy there

2428
01:31:51,189 --> 01:31:49,280
[Laughter]

2429
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,199
either maybe they have data and they're

2430
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,280
not sharing or

2431
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,880
something like that

2432
01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:57,120
you know for sure how that's true you

2433
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:59,600
yourself have data that you can talk

2434
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,400
about

2435
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:02,639
yeah that's true you know and there's

2436
01:32:07,350 --> 01:32:05,120
lots of radar pictures and information

2437
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:07,360
then too what's that one i recommend

2438
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:10,639
this book to by keith chester okay

2439
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:12,560
uh because he did a good job of getting

2440
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:15,040
a bunch of fouls during the war

2441
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,880
ah wow

2442
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:18,800
world war ii food fighters they were

2443
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,199
seeing rocket shaped tubular shaped

2444
01:32:25,110 --> 01:32:23,600
things giant one remember one report

2445
01:32:26,790 --> 01:32:25,120
this giant tube

2446
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:26,800
they were saying and it disappeared into

2447
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,600
the clouds it was giant just hovering

2448
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,360
there you're not an angle

2449
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:33,440
they saw flying discs they saw flying

2450
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:36,159
discs in 1945.

2451
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:38,239
that's not that report about the crash

2452
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:39,410
that

2453
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:42,159
[Music]

2454
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,880
yeah that one's interesting um because

2455
01:32:48,310 --> 01:32:46,560
they never mentioned the book that was

2456
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:48,320
actually written by the two witnesses

2457
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,880
about that trinity sighting

2458
01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:52,400
um

2459
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,520
and it's online you can't buy it but

2460
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:57,360
um i did locate one actually at the

2461
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,520
public library in new mexico but you

2462
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,440
know i'm not there but it's pretty

2463
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,360
interesting i would really be curious to

2464
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:06,000
see what's in that book

2465
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:07,520
because it might be a reason they lift

2466
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:08,480
it up

2467
01:33:12,950 --> 01:33:10,800
from the ufo show did a thing on that

2468
01:33:14,950 --> 01:33:12,960
story a while ago i remember seeing it

2469
01:33:15,750 --> 01:33:14,960
and they interviewed some of the

2470
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:15,760
you know

2471
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,080
the peasant guy who apparently was the

2472
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:20,159
first guy to find it

2473
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:22,719
when they haven't but i don't know

2474
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:23,920
it's another one of those stories

2475
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:24,880
because

2476
01:33:28,390 --> 01:33:26,000
god bless

2477
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,400
but does he provide any proof in his

2478
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:30,800
book no

2479
01:33:34,470 --> 01:33:33,280
everybody thought there was maybe his

2480
01:33:36,070 --> 01:33:34,480
caliber

2481
01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:36,080
and he's going to be tied to a story

2482
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,000
that's only wrapped up in eyewitness

2483
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,080
testimony which is okay but

2484
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,400
it's not that's so below his

2485
01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:44,400
capabilities that it makes me weirded

2486
01:33:48,149 --> 01:33:46,320
out you know well there might have been

2487
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,159
something in that material they were

2488
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,960
testing that maybe prohibited that part

2489
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,639
of this

2490
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:54,480
you know from being a part of that story

2491
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,840
for some reason

2492
01:34:00,550 --> 01:33:57,600
possibly because i know he was testing

2493
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,560
stuff and probably still is but

2494
01:34:06,700 --> 01:34:03,440
yeah we'll see all right i'm going to

2495
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:06,710
leave and eat ravioli

2496
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:09,199
[Laughter]

2497
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,840
there's a goodbye oh you got a black cat

2498
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:14,159
we got two ones of black and one's black

2499
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:16,480
and white uh tuxedo

2500
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:30,310
i hate monster

2501
01:34:36,629 --> 01:34:33,669
she's a little bit small

2502
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:36,639
all right well it was a it was a

2503
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:39,040
pleasure and we'll bring you back on uh

2504
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:40,320
you know whenever

2505
01:34:45,189 --> 01:34:41,520
you know you want to talk about

2506
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:48,149
like to um wrap up if it's okay that uh

2507
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:50,159
we've got way off but i do want to

2508
01:34:53,430 --> 01:34:52,639
stress that uh as far as the aztec story

2509
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:53,440
goes

2510
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:55,679
like i said my research is on 25 march

2511
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:57,840
1948 not specifically

2512
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:00,000
aztec although obviously i believe they

2513
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:01,840
combined because

2514
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:04,639
all of the witnesses that scott ramsey

2515
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:05,760
people like him

2516
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:07,600
have interviewed over the years mostly

2517
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:09,840
scott ramsey

2518
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:11,840
how could they be lying they didn't

2519
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:13,760
study like i did they could they didn't

2520
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:15,520
get all these documents like we have

2521
01:35:18,470 --> 01:35:16,960
they were just people

2522
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,480
and they just happened to all say it

2523
01:35:22,390 --> 01:35:20,159
happened on the same day and it was

2524
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,400
flying this you combined that with these

2525
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:24,239
documents that shared something happened

2526
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:25,520
on that day and had to do with flying

2527
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:26,400
discs

2528
01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:28,960
it's not a rocket scientist thing to go

2529
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:30,639
one plus one is two

2530
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:32,960
i think it's very reasonable to to do

2531
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:33,760
that

2532
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:38,159
very likely you know they're not lying

2533
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,400
yeah like i said two of them i checked

2534
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:42,159
two of them didn't know each other they

2535
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:44,000
still came up with that date

2536
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:44,880
so

2537
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,360
yeah work goes on i'll continue my work

2538
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,239
but at this point i know something did

2539
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,239
happen on that day really i don't know

2540
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:54,080
if it's exactly what

2541
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,760
some other people including steinman

2542
01:35:59,990 --> 01:35:57,679
have said i don't believe in the mj12

2543
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,000
stuff i know i've said that but

2544
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:02,320
something's happened and

2545
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,600
yeah it's been going on since that long

2546
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:08,080
yeah and yeah i think you proved that

2547
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:09,360
pretty well with all the different

2548
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,040
documents that you've

2549
01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:13,679
brought to the table um that clearly

2550
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,239
outlined something yeah

2551
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,239
and like i said i believe that it's

2552
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:19,840
possible that it was leaking and that's

2553
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:21,280
what ended up being in the mccarthy

2554
01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:23,679
hearings it was a way like

2555
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:26,000
just send it off into left field let's

2556
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:28,159
we we can't go and that's why it got out

2557
01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,600
of control and

2558
01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,360
got into just hounding

2559
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:33,119
you know whether you're communist or not

2560
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:35,040
they were probably ordered to do that

2561
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:36,880
because they weren't about to talk about

2562
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,520
aztec i mean that's just me talking but

2563
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:40,960
it's because of all of that i've been

2564
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:43,520
reading i'm not just grasping at empty

2565
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:46,400
straws there's there's something there

2566
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:47,840
so

2567
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:49,600
i invite you to check out dorothy kale

2568
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,880
gallon she

2569
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:52,320
can send you those i got a bunch of

2570
01:36:56,390 --> 01:36:54,960
articles okay i got from the newspapers

2571
01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:56,400
that she said too

2572
01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:57,360
yeah

2573
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:59,199
you intrigued me too so i'm gonna i'm

2574
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,719
gonna get uh

2575
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:02,880
oh wait what did you say about mj 12

2576
01:37:07,830 --> 01:37:05,679
spaghetti one snow wasn't there a part

2577
01:37:10,229 --> 01:37:07,840
of the document was ripped completely

2578
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,239
from a book or something right oh yeah

2579
01:37:15,189 --> 01:37:13,040
the last mj-12 they were completely

2580
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:15,199
plagiarized bill steinman's book on

2581
01:37:17,669 --> 01:37:16,320
aztec

2582
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,679
uh okay

2583
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,520
grabbed paragraphs and just put it in

2584
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,840
there if there was a real document they

2585
01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:24,159
would have not had to do that

2586
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:25,760
they would have provided evidence or

2587
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:27,440
information we've never seen before a

2588
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:28,400
problem

2589
01:37:33,030 --> 01:37:29,760
right

2590
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:33,040
pleasure sir

2591
01:37:38,709 --> 01:37:37,440
and you have a great rest of the day um

2592
01:37:39,990 --> 01:37:38,719
yeah you know how to get in touch with

2593
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,000
me so

2594
01:37:45,510 --> 01:37:41,760
blessings to everybody thanks for your

2595
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,520
time and i wish everybody the best

2596
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:48,000
all right sounds good i appreciate you

2597
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,920
all right see you back in the chats all

2598
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:51,760
right see ya bye

2599
01:38:00,629 --> 01:37:57,189
all right that was awesome that was so

2600
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:03,030
and we learned so much today right and

2601
01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:05,920
that is the important part for us

2602
01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,119
is we're learning and robert brought

2603
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:11,760
the goods today that's for sure so

2604
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,790
happened around then right

2605
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:21,760
um pretty pretty intense so

2606
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,080
thanks for joining us we went to an hour

2607
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,800
in 38 minutes um

2608
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:28,800
no one unfortunately has commented on

2609
01:38:31,030 --> 01:38:29,520
the

2610
01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,040
new edition

2611
01:38:36,470 --> 01:38:32,880
of the bird

2612
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:38,220
but that's fine

2613
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,480
[Laughter]

2614
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,400
all right guys thanks for joining thanks

2615
01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:44,880
for the support megan dragonfly

2616
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,679
grandmaster uh jared

2617
01:38:50,870 --> 01:38:50,080
um spaghetti of course

2618
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,880
uh

2619
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,000
bass

2620
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,760
basis there's like

2621
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:55,199
um

2622
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:56,560
thomas

2623
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,440
where are we i think that's i got

2624
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:00,960
everybody right

2625
01:39:07,710 --> 01:39:02,880
um

2626
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:09,750
[Laughter]

2627
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,800
yeah so oh you like the sign here i just

2628
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:14,960
figured the like the bird it was just a

2629
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:16,960
perfect match you know maybe i'll put

2630
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,880
the sign on the suitcase there or

2631
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:22,550
all right

2632
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,159
sounds good bye y'all be good um no show

2633
01:39:29,109 --> 01:39:27,600
tomorrow or this weekend because i'm

2634
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,119
doing the big phone home so if you want

2635
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:31,360
to get some of me it's going to be at

2636
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:32,560
the big

2637
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,679
phone

2638
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,040
home

2639
01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:37,440
but otherwise we'll be back on

2640
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,280
monday

2641
01:39:43,669 --> 01:39:42,159
with avi loeb

2642
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:43,679
and that's going to be a great interview

2643
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:45,440
so don't miss it

2644
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:50,149
so

2645
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,440
we will see you then but please stop by

2646
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,360
the big phone home show some support

2647
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:56,960
that would mean a lot you guys are my

2648
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,520
crew you guys are my flying saucers the

2649
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:02,080
flying saucers need to travel

2650
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,880
sometimes um so hopefully

2651
01:40:16,390 --> 01:40:06,560
hopefully you guys do that